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Is Windows XP Obsolete?

Joe Harry
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I would like to know if Windows XP will not be shipped along with any notebooks or computers that we buy?

If not any reasons why this is so?


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Uh...


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I bought a computer with Vista and took it back. Just didn't like it.

I bought a used IBM Laptop off their website for a good discount. Best thing about it was it came with XP.

Eventually, XP will be completely phased out. Thus is life...
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That's a pity to know.

I tried vista on my friends system but didn't like it quite well.
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Don't worry, I'm sure laptops with pirated copies of XP will be available for years to come


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Also, the next MS OS is just months away. Or maybe years. Well, decades anyway. But one thing's for sure: It will be a step forward. Uh, or maybe not.
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Ohhh, puppies!!!


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Microbrain (can tell im a fan huh ) gave "strong-arming" Vista onto consumers a try by saying pretty much any new machine comes with Vista and nothing else, luckily -some- of the machines its claimed "will only run vista" can be reformatted -before- full installation of Vista (some out the box PCs have Vista on the HDD ready to be installed), and XP installed on them.

but then why would anyone want to do so? after all Vista is sooooo good... that a new OS is released shortly after...

go figure


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I believe Dell will sell you a Windows computer with an upgrade to XP if you ask for it. Don't know if it comes with puppies though. Or kittens. Kittens would be nice.
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Ohhh, kitties!
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
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Pat Farrell
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What do you mean "obsolete"?

Any vendor must stop supporting old versions of stuff when new ones are out. Most give you a while to convert.

Microsoft is just doing the normal thing, Vista has been out a long time, and they don't want any new users.

Dell and other vendors will allow you to "upgrade" to XP, but Microsoft really doesn't like it.

I don't understand the issue here. While older boxes should not be upgraded, if you get a new, modern system Vista should be fine.

If you don't want to learn Vista, which is still Windows, but a bit different, this is a great time to try Ubuntu or Gentoo or Slackware or BSD or ....
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I like kitties.
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
Ohhh, kitties!


Can understand!
Gregg Bolinger
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This topic is obsolete and like puppies more than kitties. Kitties grow up to be cats!


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Windows for Workgroups 3.11 is not obsolete yet, but will be in 4 months.
This is not a joke.
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I have Sysop friends that still carry DOS disks around since people still need them.
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Am I the only one on this planet that things Vista is not that bad? I run it with Boot Camp on my MacBook with 2gigs of RAM with no issues. Only thing that took awhile to get used to is they changed the layout of where things are located.


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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
... Kitties grow up to be cats!

And then they're cool in addition to being cute.
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Joe Harry
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:


Bear, the pictures are interesting and funny too...
Joe Harry
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I think we'll stop with kittens....they seem pretty!
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Microsoft wants you to think that Windows XP is obsolete, because they want to sell you Windows Vista.

At the same time, Microsoft is forced to sell and support XP longer than they had wanted, because they didn't see the newest trend of mini-laptops that started with the Asus Eee PC coming. Vista is too heavy to run on those machines. And ofcourse Microsoft doesn't want to loose that whole market segment to Linux (many of those mini-laptops come with Linux).


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Pat Farrell
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Originally posted by Jesper Young:
Microsoft wants you to think that Windows XP is obsolete, because they want to sell you Windows Vista.


Vista is too heavy to run on those machines. And ofcourse Microsoft doesn't want to loose that whole market segment to Linux


Very true. M$ must sell Vista. They need the revenue. They need you to either update to Vista or to buy a new, fast, cool machine with Vista pre-installed.

We talk about the WinTel monopoly for a reason. Intel needs to sell ever faster chips and Windows needs to need ever faster chips.

The Vista problem is serious, because for the first time in nearly 20 years, people are asking "Do I want the latest M$ O/S?" Just letting people ask this is bad for the WinTel effort. And as soon as anyone asks, it cracks the dike holding back the sea. While a lot of folks are thinking about Linux, a lot of folks are buying Macs.
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The only reason I will soon install Vista in my brand new super-fast PC (" target="_blank">http://www.coderanch.com/t/45336/md/New-Baby"> ) is that I want to take advantage of the full 8 GB that my motherboard can handle.

I was not ready for Vista when I ordered the PC a couple of months ago (or now) . I ordered a so-called "future proof" custom built PC to my own specs without having to assemble it myself. The motherboard only takes DDR3 RAM and has two PCI Express 2.0 slots (it's an X-38 chipset board). My DDR3 RAM runs at 1333MHz with relatively low latency for DDR3.

I also ordered a PCI Express card with two Firewire 800 ports and one 400. The MB provides two FW400s.

Anyway, before the year is over I will install Vista 64. XP64 does not have the driver support that Vista 64 has now. I guess it (XP64) was too ahead of its time then. But that doesn't do me any good now.

I <em>am</em> using XP Pro at the moment in this tower PC as I mentioned...

The reason: "<em>for the first time in nearly 20 years, people are asking: Do I want the latest M$ O/S?</em>"

In 1995 (Windows 95) I said yes. In 2001 (XP), the same. But today? I say NO.

It will just have to wait until more issues are resolved with it.

I do not want my super fast system to become a hog just because I switched OSs!
[ July 12, 2008: Message edited by: Tony Alicea ]

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Pat Farrell
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
The only reason I will soon install Vista in my brand new super-fast PC is that I want to take advantage of the full 8 GB


So you running Vista 64 on it? Last time I checked, no Windows 32 bit version could address more than 2^32, which is 4GB. And most systems can't even use all 4GB, as the last Gig is used for silly stuff like video bufferes, etc.
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Tony Alicea
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No, I am not running Vista 64 on it now. As I said, I am considering it, mainly to be able to use all the 8GB of fast (1333MHz) DDR3 RAM that I have now, much of it not seen by Win XP/32.
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Well. the "damage" is done (not yet, really!) ...

I have ordered Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit and it's on its way.

Before that, I bought and tested successfully the disk imaging program ShadowProtect Desktop 3.1

If for some reason I conclude that Vista sucks even with 8GB of fast (1333MHz) DDR3 RAM and a 45nm technology Quad-Core processor with 12MB of on board cache running at 2.66GHz and an eVGA, e-GeForce 9600GT, then all I have to do (and I successfully tested this already) is reboot the system with the CD provided by the imaging program in my DVD-ROM drive, the XP image saved in an external USB or FireWire drive and I am back to where I am now (XP Pro/32-bit) in just 15 minutes.

And I mean that literally! EVERYTHING that you had installed and working before, just continues from that point even if you restore to a new, blank disk.

Amazing!
[ July 19, 2008: Message edited by: Tony Alicea ]
Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:

And I mean that literally! EVERYTHING that you had installed and working before, just continues from that point even if you restore to a new, blank disk.

Amazing!

[ July 19, 2008: Message edited by: Tony Alicea ]


Yea, it was amazing 5 years ago too. This technology is nothing new. Anyway, you could also run any other 64 bit OS aside from Vista. You don't need Vista to take advantage of 8 gigs of ram.
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Tony Alicea
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I didn't claim that the technology is new! Are you implying that I am ignorant? Maybe you should edit your post so that it doesn't read like that, OK?

And I hear hear Windows XP 64bit has even less support than Vista 64. If you meant any Unix variant, I want to be able to use the computer, not just stare at it...
Pat Farrell
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Gentlemen, lets back off a notch.

XP 64 was never well supported. Vista 64 has a chance.

Tony's crack about "using it" really depends on how you want to use it. Lots of high end PCs are for games, actually, the game guys define the high end.

I can't think of anything that I want to do with a computer than will drive Tony's new machine hard. I write code for a living, been doing it for 35+ years. Play a game or two to kill time and bad guys.

I do use Linux 64 on serious servers, but nothing that I do as a professional developer needs the latest and greatest from either AMD or Intel for me.

I expect that XP will stop getting support relatively sooner than Windows For Workgroups 3.11, which was just unsupported last month. I remember staying up all night in line to get it when it first came out, altho I can't remember if it was 92 or 93.

I predict that Vista will have a shorter life than XP. I also predict that Windows 7 will be late and bloated. Maybe Windows 8 will be the Windows that the world needs. But MS is cursed with its installed base.
Tony Alicea
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Gregg still has to edit his post. He makes me sound like an idiot which is the exact opposite extreme of what I really am.

Anyway, you say:

"<em>I write code for a living, been doing it for 35+ years.</em>"

I guess you beat me by a few years This is my first offer of employment after graduating #1 in Physics from the University.

I agree that UNIX is a superior OS than Windows. It always has been.

I now have a Win XP PRO PC (my 6.5 years old PC) in the kitchen who's main purpose in life is now to analyze the SETI data collected at my former place of employment (SETI @ Home) to help find intelligent life in other solar systems (no kidding; you'd have to read about it).

I would like to install some kind of Unix on it to start getting familiar, so what Linux distribution do you suggest that I start with?
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
I would like to install some kind of Unix on it to start getting familiar, so what Linux distribution do you suggest that I start with?


With Windows installed already, all good distos will setup a bootloader option, so you can select it at the time. All you need is a spare 50GB or so on your disk, which I'm sure your super computer has. Setup three partitions, one 10GB called /boot, one 4GB as swap, and the rest as /
Use your favorite partitioning tool to cut the space out of a new or existing drive.

My #1 rule to pick a distro is it doesn't really matter what you start with. You'll learn a bunch no matter what.

#2 is use the distro that your buddy uses, so you can bribe him/her with beer to help.

#3 failing that, use Ubuntu. Its got all the buzz, has good forums, etc. I actually prefer Debian, but since Ubuntu is built on Debian, and is easier for rookies, I recommend Ubuntu.
Tony Alicea
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Thank you very much, Pat.

Actually I was thinking of using my old PC for Linux 100% w/o dual boot.

I hear that (please don't tell me it's not true ) that Linux doesn't need as much hardware as Windows (XP or Vista)?

My old PC is a P4 1.9GHz non-hyperthreaded and the RAM is 1GB. I cannot add more RAM simply because it's the expensive RDRAM.

It has two internal 120GB Western Digitals.

But thanks for the partition info etc. I
Pat Farrell
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Its true that for most uses, a weaker box can be happy with Linux than Vista or XP. Not sure how far I'd carry that back, I ran NT on some really slow small systems.

If you are starting from scratch, any user friendly distro will do the setup automagically. I still end up with 10GB or so for /boot, twice RAM as disk for swap, and the rest for /

I've tried assorted virtual partitioning systems with serveral distros, and in the end, I like everything but /boot and swap as a big old / partition

YMMV, of course.
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
Well. the "damage" is done (not yet, really!) ...

I have ordered Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit and it's on its way.

Before that, I bought and tested successfully the disk imaging program ShadowProtect Desktop 3.1

[ July 19, 2008: Message edited by: Tony Alicea ]


MS should provide ShadowProtect Desktop 3.1 free with Windows Vista, I hope everybody need it when they purchase vista.
[ July 20, 2008: Message edited by: Sameer Jamal ]
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
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I guess you beat me by a few years This is my first offer of employment after graduating #1 in Physics from the University.


Wow! I was not evenr born then.
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Originally posted by Eric Pascarello:
Am I the only one on this planet that things Vista is not that bad? I run it with Boot Camp on my MacBook with 2gigs of RAM with no issues. Only thing that took awhile to get used to is they changed the layout of where things are located.


Eric


No, you're not the only one. I've been running Vista x64 SP1 for 6 months now. Haven't had a single issue. I do grant the detractors the point that I started directly with SP1, so that may be part of why I haven't had issues. And I am running it on a robust system; it probably shouldn't be installed on a 5 year old system. But the same could have been said about XP back in 2001.

Like you said, it took a little getting use to a few new layouts and setting locations. But no biggie overall. I'll still take a Solaris/Unix/Linux system for a production server over a MS based server. But for desktop use, Vista's been fine.
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
I guess you beat me by a few years after graduating #1 in Physics from the University.


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