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Obama + Efficent Leader +only 9 months +Nobel =what do you think?

Tanmoy Dhara
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First i would like to say the same thing Tim Pawlenty have said(according to NYT) "I think the appropriate response, or an appropriate response, is when anybody wins a Nobel Prize, you know that is a very noteworthy development and designation and award, and I think the proper response is to say congratulations.”

But my question is that, Nobel is something that is craved by the best and once acquired, words like "ecstatic" or "culminated" are the least to describe one's feeling. but although Mr. Obama has shown the signs of an outstanding leader, is it justified to give him the award after 9 months from th starting of his tenure???While his ideas are still required to be implemented and no one knows if he will attain his goal.

In my humble opinion, they should have waited for another one year or two before nominating him for the award ( he is not going away in next 4 years, is he?what was the reason of such a rush? ). While others get (or miss it by a whisker) it after decades of devotion in the respective field.

Do you think i am wrong when i say this?


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Given this is a sensitive topic, I request those that reply to word what they say carefully.

Yes, everyone that I spoke to was in shock. So much so that all my friends changed their gtalk status message to express their view. There were exclamations everywhere. I have nothing against Mr Obama. Indeed he has reached out to everyone and one has seen changes to US foreign policy ever since he stepped into office. But a Nobel peace prize ? It is not a thought that digests well with many.

A related shocker of the other extreme -> http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp


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Moderator part:
So far so good. If this can stay as a discussion about the Nobel prize/peace instead of turning into politics, maybe we can have an interesting discussion in MD. If not, I fully expect to see it disappear.

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My reply part:
I think it is better to give a leader with a fixed term a Nobel prize after that term is over. Whether that's 4 or 8 years, I think they should have waited until he wasn't president anymore. My main reason is that nobody knows what else he will do in office. Things could fall apart. Or they could improve. What if he's the one to accomplish <insert your favorite peace goal here>? That would make the Nobel prize even more meaningful.


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Pat Farrell
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I think that anytime my country's leader is recognized for aiming for Peace is good. I like Peace.

From what I have read, the Nobel PP is often used as a prod for future work, rather than a reward for past success.

But there is been a lot of commentary over the years that the Nobel PP is too political, and it has lost some of its meaning.

The Nobel prizes for Chemistry, Economics, etc. are typically awarded 20 years or more after the invention or discovery. This lets the scientific world have some perspective on the event and its impact. They are generally "life time achievement awards" rather than about any one or two things.

So it seem to me that I'd be happier if the Nobel PP was awarded for actually bringing a long lasting peace. Like the one between Israel and Egypt, which has been holding up for a couple of decades. Thus, the current award is not in the same category.

I'm old enough to remember when "make love, not war" was current.
Tanmoy Dhara
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So far so good. If this can stay as a discussion about the Nobel prize/peace instead of turning into politics, maybe we can have an interesting discussion in MD. If not, I fully expect to see it disappear.


Hmm. I fully agree. This discussion is based on the credibility of Nobel prize, which is raising some questions. Not only this year, but over the years. Remember this is not an "americans vs non-americans" or "democrat vs republican" issue.
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Pat Farrell wrote:From what I have read, the Nobel PP is often used as a prod for future work, rather than a reward for past success.

Interesting concept. So it's being used as an expression of hope?
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Dare I say, an audacious expression of hope?


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Jesper de Jong
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It's strange that someone (doesn't matter whether it's Obama or anyone else) gets the Nobel peace prize after having been less than a year in office, while scientists most often have to wait decades before they get a Nobel prize for some important discovery.


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Pat Farrell
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Jesper Young wrote:It's strange .. Nobel peace prize ... scientists most often have to wait decades before they get a Nobel prize for some important discovery.

Strange but true.

I think that the selection committees and even nationalities of the committee members are different. Its almost as if the name "Nobel Prize" has two different meanings.

Also interesting that the closest thing to a Nobel Prize for Computer Science is the ACM Turing Award, which is also a lifetime achievment award.
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Pat Farrell wrote:
I think that the selection committees and even nationalities of the committee members are different.


The group of people who may nominate individuals is international, but the Nobel Committee itself, which decides the recipient, is Norwegian.

<humor>
Why couldn't they give the award to someone who's actually done something, you know, like Al Gore. Oh, wait. . .
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Joe Ess wrote:
<humor>
Why couldn't they give the award to someone who's actually done something, you know, like Al Gore. Oh, wait. . .
</humor>


Pardon me, but I don't get the humor part.
Didn't Al Gore invent the internet or something?


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Tanmoy Dhara
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No he got it for something called COBOL "worm"ing or like that...i don't know much about it, but it compiled and melted north pole



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Maneesh Godbole wrote:
Didn't Al Gore invent the internet or something?


Gore never claimed to have invent the internet, but it's a common (mis)interpretation of what he did say. Oddly enough, the first time I heard about this "information superhighway", it was in a speech by Gore. So, as far as I'm concerned, he introduced me to it.
My attempt at humor is that Gore received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 and got the same kind of criticism that Obama is getting: that his award is more anti-George Bush than pro-his own accomplishments.
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Joe.
It was my bad. I should have used some smilies or something to indicate my comment was tongue in cheek and I apologize for the same.
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Maneesh Godbole wrote:Joe.
It was my bad. I should have used some smilies or something to indicate my comment was tongue in cheek and I apologize for the same.



Muse Ran
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what Obama got Nobel prize...


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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:Dare I say, an audacious expression of hope?

So what you are probably saying is that it is more like a preemptive action done to serve as some kind of deterrent?


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Prabhat Gupta
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Can a person receive nobel peace prize twice? If yes could we hope Obama winning his next nobel peace prize after his presidency tenure ??
Tanmoy Dhara
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Can a person receive nobel peace prize twice?


Yes you can win it twice ( i mean someone can )


If yes could we hope Obama winning his next nobel peace prize after his presidency tenure ??


Since when you started buying Nobel from Marks & Spencer ? Send me one.


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Is Nobel Peace Prize revocable?

What if in future President Obama decides to follow George Bush style military strikes towards countries perceived to be inimical for American interest's..In this case nobel peace prize will turn out to be a mockery..









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Rambo Prasad wrote:Is Nobel Peace Prize revocable?

Nope.


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fred rosenberger
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If my info is correct, the deadline for nominations of the peace prize is Feb 1st. That means Obama had been in office 12 days when nominated.

Granted, the voting is done much later, but I personally believe this award was not deserved. Giving an award because you HOPE someone will accomplish something is meaningless. Why don't they give it to ME? I'm all for peace. Maybe if they do, it will inspire peace throughout the world.


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If my info is correct, the deadline for nominations of the peace prize is Feb 1st. That means Obama had been in office 12 days when nominated.


That is an excellent observation .What is left to say after this information. I wish someone from the nobel committee was here to counterargue , it would have been interesting...if not entertaining.
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I wish someone from the nobel committee was here to counterargue

Sorry, people from the Nobel committee only check JavaRanch on Mondays so you've missed them this week I'm afraid
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According to the wikipedia, Alfred Nobel's will states that the prize should go to the person who:
during the preceding year [...] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.


I, personally, am not sure how Obama qualifies at all for that.
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fred rosenberger wrote:According to the wikipedia, Alfred Nobel's will states that the prize should go to the person who:
during the preceding year [...] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.


I, personally, am not sure how Obama qualifies at all for that.


I surely qualify.
I have been actively signing online petitions garnering support for a free T***t and sending emails to C*****e officials to cut it out. This is kind of like working for a fraternity. Have also held some sexual congress, mostly peaceful during the past year and I actively promote if it is to be done with me. Alfred Noble must be turning in his grave right now knowing all of this.
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Longer quote of Alfred Nobel's will, found here:
The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way:

The capital shall be invested by my executors in safe securities and shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.

The prizes for physics and chemistry shall be awarded by the Swedish Academy of Sciences; that for physiological or medical works by Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm; that for literature by the Academy in Stockholm; and that for champions of peace by a committee of five persons to be elected by the Norwegian Storting. It is my expressed wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, so that the most worthy shall receive the prize, whether he be Scandinavian or not.

It looks to me like "during the preceding year" applies equally to all the prizes, not just the Peace prize. But only the Peace prize committee seems to come close to following this policy. I'm not sure it's fair to criticize them for not waiting longer like the other prize committees do, given that they're actually much closer to following Alfred Nobel's will. On the one hand, waiting probably results in better, more meaningful awards. But on the other hand, waiting violates the terms of the will. So I can see the justification for not waiting.
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but whether it's a a year, 10 years, or 40 years...it's what the person HAS DONE, and not what they MIGHT DO in the future. I don't see President Obama as having done all that much towards this goal in the past X years. In fact, I believe he has voted FOR increasing U.S. military presence in the middle east (and is certainly considering doing that now).

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I mostly agree on that point. I was addressing the earlier post about how they should have waited like the other awards do.
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Today's paper had a quote from commitee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland - "All these things have contributed to - I wouldn't say a safer world - but a world with less tension"

Hmm. Which definition of peace? Tranquility? Stillness?
 
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