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Why Sun is losing a lot of money?

Filipe Pinheiro
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What's the relation between the Sun losing and the future of Java?




I would like to see more opinions about it!


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Rob Spoor
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This is not related to programming directly, so I'm moving this to MD (even if the discussion itself may not be meaningless).


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Joe Ess
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I don't see Python programmers worrying about Guido van Rossum's finances.


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Muse Ran
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download all latest versions of java products at the earliest.. otherwise will cost you more..


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Mark Spritzler
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Muse Ran wrote:download all latest versions of java products at the earliest.. otherwise will cost you more..


Please don't spread false rumors or FUD. right now there is no evidence that Java will at some time cost more.

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Pat Farrell
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Why is Sun losing a fortune? Because no one wants to buy their expensive server hardware when dirt cheap commodity boxes do the job as well.

They are not alone, hardly anyone is making money off hardware these days.

What does the Sun financial results mean for Java? No one can know. Sun is dead, perhaps the Oracle deal will go through. Perhaps Oracle will care about Java. Perhaps Oracle will not put a penny into Java. No one knows except the folks at Oracle, and they are not talking.

But Java is bigger than Sun. IBM is pouring tons of money into it.

And when Java craters, as pascal, bliss, smalltalk and zillions of other languages before it, we'll move on to the next great thing and say "man, how could we have been so stupid to think Java was cool when it didn't do X and Y or Z."
ankur rathi
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Don't they earn enough on certificates?

A java cert costs 300$ these days.
Pat Farrell
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ankur rathi wrote:Don't they earn enough on certificates?

Not enough to carry all the overhead and people they have. Certificates can be generated by any for-profit school, there is very litle in the way of barriers to entry.

What has more value, a half-dozen "certificates" from a vendor such as Sun? or a degree from Watsa-Matter-U?

Not talking about MIT, Stanford etc, but any degree has some value, probably more than any Sun certificate.
Rob Spoor
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Muse Ran wrote:download all latest versions of java products at the earliest.. otherwise will cost you more..

The JVM or JDK will never cost money any more, or developers will stop using Java and switch to other, free solutions. Once people get something for free, it's hard to make them start paying for the same thing.
Pawel Nowacki
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Once people get something for free, it's hard to make them start paying for the same thing.


Maybe, but isn't such thing among the most popular marketing tactics? Play for free and when you like it you must pay for it to use. People played Java for many years and they like it very much, if they would have to pay I think they will. It's a matter of force of habit. And I don't think you can just jump to another framework leaving Java behind, it's too rooted in a whole todays IT in many ways.
Ulf Dittmer
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People played Java for many years and they like it very much, if they would have to pay I think they will.

The point is, they don't have to - Java 6 is available under the GPL, so it's free to use, and will remain so.


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John Eipe
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To read more about this check out:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10379673-92.html

Also this wouldn't affect any future releases of java.
Java 7 is set to release next year.


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