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Maneesh Godbole
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As I write this, I am downloading 9.10 (Karmic Koala) on my home laptop. Still 9 more hours to go @30KBps . Can't wait.
Anybody upgraded already? Any problems?


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Stefan Wagner
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I upgraded a xUbuntu-machine. No Problems.


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Jesper de Jong
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Downloaded it and installed it. Looks good, it looks like there are more changes than between previous versions of Ubuntu. The sound setup has changed, GRUB (the boot loader) has changed, the login screen, icons etc.

(I haven't used Ubuntu much since I bought a MacBook Pro this summer...).


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Stefan Wagner
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Eclipsebuttons don't work.

is a workaround for my starter (xfce4).

The icons on the Desktop: The names are not readable, when they got the focus.

Yes, grub is now grub2 - didn't check for the differences.

And upstart replaced sys-v-init (partially) - didn't inspect that too.

Automated bugreports are a great improvement - information is collected in the background, 'like to see/ to send?', and the browser opens in launchpad on the correct page. Ok, Ok, ready. Userfriendly.
Peter Johnson
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I upgraded my laptop from 8.04 yesterday. Seems to have gone smooth so far (last time I tried an update instead of a clean install I lost my sound).

But this morning I noticed the laptop making an annoying popping sound about every 20-30 seconds, as if one of the drivers was resetting the hardware (like when the sound driver first comes up and the speakers pop, but this wasn't through the speakers). The popping went away after I signed on and started playing some music - not sure if the music playing or the login fixed it. I'll have to keep an eye (ear?) on this one - I'll install from scratch if it doesn't go away.


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Freddy Wong
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The last time I upgraded my Ubuntu, I also lost my sound. Hopefully the upgrade will run smooth this time around.


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Stefan Wagner
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I didn't lost the sound, but the volume-control in the panel sometimes controls the volume, sometimes not. I have to switch the device-setting between alsa- and oss-mixer, and while changing, the up-down-scrolling doesn't have effekt, so it's hard to detect when it's done. Some codecs seem to trigger the first mixer, some the other one. Suspicious.
Campbell Ritchie
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I didn't have to wait that long for the download. But when I got rebooted, I could only get my screen up to 1152×864, whereas I use 1280×1024.I Googled and found you are supposed to edit the etc.X11/xorg.conf file, and did so,like this
# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# Note that some configuration settings that could be done previously
# in this file, now are automatically configured by the server and settings
# here are ignored.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Monitor "Configured Monitor"
Device "Configured Video Device"
SubSection "Display"
Depth "24"
Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "720x400"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Any idea what I have done wrong? I couldn't get much help by going through the manual pages. I have rebooted about 3 times and still didn't get 1280×1024.
Campbell Ritchie
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. . . and ended up in text-only mode. So I tried deleting the depth line and only left "1280x1024" under mode and rebooted and . . . no better.
Freddy Wong
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The upgrade went pretty smooth, but VMware 6.5.2 doesn't really work on 2.6.31 kernel. Here's the patch.
Stefan Wagner
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What does

report?

If you don't have a better idea, I would try Depth "16".

Campbell Ritchie
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Stefan Wagner wrote:What does

report?

If you don't have a better idea, I would try Depth "16".

This:
campbell@queeg:~$ egrep "^\(EE\)|\(WW\)|\(NI\)\(\?\?\)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
(WW) intel(0): Disabling Xv because no adaptors could be initialized.
Jesper de Jong
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Campbell, sorry I don't know how to solve your screen resolution problem, but try asking your question on the Ubuntu Forums and you'll probably get an answer quickly.
Campbell Ritchie
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Good grief Jesper not knowing about a Linux problem is a bit like Rob Prime not knowing about a programming question. I shall go to the Ubuntu forum if it doesn't sort itself out spontaneously, but can't do that at the moment. And thank you everybody for help so far.
Stefan Wagner
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I was going to give the same hint, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1298263&highlight=resolution

For the Xv-message, there is a bugreport on launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/395932?comments=all but I don't know whether it is related to your resolution problem.
Jesper de Jong
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:Good grief Jesper not knowing about a Linux problem is a bit like Rob Prime not knowing about a programming question.

Do I have such a reputation?
Joe Ess
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I tried out the live CD on my work desktop for a few hours on Thursday. I didn't see any problems.
I happy with the features and performance of 9.04, so I'm not itching to upgrade. I'll probably wait a few weeks until the community has some experience solving the showstoppers before making the move.


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Campbell Ritchie
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Sounds a good idea, waiting for a few weeks. I have managed to boot once with 1280×1024 by using the "nomodeset" option in post #6 in this thread. Let's see whether it will work next time
Campbell Ritchie
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Rebooted and still on 1280×1024
Maneesh Godbole
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I run Ubuntu on HP550. Unfortunately, probably because of the driver limitation, I am restricted to 1280x800 resolution....until I found the magic of scaling
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=72760 Check out post #18
Joe Ess
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I did a full install to a flash drive and used it all last night on my work laptop, an HP 8510p. I didn't run into any problems but I also didn't see any compelling reasons to upgrade from 9.04.
One interesting thing to this community: Rumor has it that Ubuntu is not going to update Sun Java in the repository. OpenJDK is the default Java from now on.
Jaikiran Pai
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Joe Ess wrote:
One interesting thing to this community: Rumor has it that Ubuntu is not going to update Sun Java in the repository. OpenJDK is the default Java from now on.


Since i almost always need all different versions and vendors of Java for my development and testing working, i always download the right versions manually from the download sites. I was wondering whether it makes any difference which vendor and version of Java is shipped by the OS? I'm curious to know whether other *nix users depend or are affected by which version of Java is shipped or available in the OS repo?

P.S: I'm relatively new to *nix OS and am not yet completely used to the concept of the software repositories which the OS uses, so i might be asking an very obvious question here.


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Personally, I never install any of the Java-related stuff using the Linux package manager. Whether JVM, Tomcat, JBoss AS, Ant, Maven, etc. I always download from the respective web site and install it myself. Though I do follow the Red Hat directory location for the JVM: /usr/java. Everything else goes into /opt. Though most of the time what is in /opt is a soft link to what is on my Windows partition, thus sharing the code between the two. Hey, it's platform independent. so why not!
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Campbell Ritchie wrote: . . . and ended up in text-only mode. So I tried deleting the depth line and only left "1280x1024" under mode and rebooted and . . .


You probably have this fixed by now. X11 is voodoo. Many problems with things like screen resolution and/or size are driver specific, and by default, Ubuntu tries to use generic drivers. If you just want your system to work, and have an ATI or NVidea video system, you really want to use their specific drivers, they are usually much faster (GPU acceleration, etc.).

I typically get the release installed using whatever "better than VGA" video I get, and then find the "extra" to enable the propriatary drivers. Richard Stallman probably thinks this is a sin, but I want my computers to work, not enter theological arguments.
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Peter Johnson wrote:Personally, I never install any of the Java-related stuff using the Linux package manager. .... Hey, it's platform independent. so why not!

And a lot of Linux distros use the silly /etc/alternatives system for Java, JVM, JDK, etc. I can see it for special use cases, such as a multi-user timesharing system, or for a QA group, but for me, I want one real "java" to be installed and used by everything. So I nuke the soft links to /etc/alternatives and make my own links to where I have the JDK installed.
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Pat Farrell wrote: . . . You probably have this fixed by now. . . .
Yes, as I said, with the nomodeset option
Peter Johnson
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Peter Johnson wrote:I noticed the laptop making an annoying popping sound about every 20-30 seconds

I decided to try installing from 9.10 scratch to see if that would fix the popping issue. I was not encouraged when the laptop "pop"ed when running with the install CD, and after installing clean I am still getting the popping. Though for some reason it just now stopped popping - I did have the sound configuration manager opened, but changed nothing, just browsed and closed it. But the worse thing is that my wireless netwrok no longer works (in 9.04 it worked flawlessly). In addition, it does not recognize my NVidia chip and does not offer to install the proprietary driver (like 9.04 did). Or wait, it appears that an open-source version of the driver is installed, but that driver does not allow the "Normal" setting under Appearance Preferences | Visual Effects to be set.

I recall years ago trying to build/install/configure various drivers for sound, video and wireless on Fedora. This took me a lot of time and often was not ideal (my sound driver would inexplicably go away between songs and would not come back up without rebooting)One of the main reasons I switched to Ubuntu was that it installed those things for me automatically. What a shame if it no longer does that.

Looks like I am going back to 9.04
Pat Farrell
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I upgraded my Lenovo laptop this past weekend, from 9.04 to 9.10.
It took forever. Probably three hours to download the files, and another two or more hours to do the updates.

No major problems. Some installed packages went away, like dos2unix. It also didn't like to update Chrome browser for Linux

I like the screen better, more contrast.
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Maneesh Godbole wrote:As I write this, I am downloading 9.10 (Karmic Koala) on my home laptop. Still 9 more hours to go @30KBps . Can't wait.
Anybody upgraded already? Any problems?


Around November, I downloaded ubuntu9.10, the use of feeling can be, No major problems.
Donald Jeo
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I download it and i did not face any problem.... i send you link where i download it
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ubuntu-Karmic-Koala-47613.shtml
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download

i hope i will help full for you...


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Christophe Verré
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This thread is a bit old... 10.04 is out now... oh well


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Joe Ess
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Christophe Verré wrote:This thread is a bit old... 10.04 is out now... oh well


9.10 is supported until April 2011, so this thread continues to be relevant!
 
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