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Current OR next 2-3 months Job market in India

Sagar Rohankar
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Hi all,

I'm planning to switch my current company in next 2-3 months (probably in Jan-Feb of 2010). How would be the Job market then, my friends suggesting that you won't get much pay package because it will took more 6 months to get fully out of recession and company start hiring.

Also, How much I can expect a salary package for 24 months of experience in Java at Pune location
  • 18 months Java Web( JSP, Servlets, Struts 1.x, HTML, CSS, JQuery)
  • 4 months of Java Desktop(Swing, JDesktop, Java3D)
  • 2 months of C,C++ and some SQL programming
  • Also worked on Quartz, JDOM API

  • How many opportunities I can find based upon the above skill set.

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    Sagar Rohankar
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    Any thoughts ?
    arulk pillai
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    It is very subjective and hard to tell. No one has a crystal ball. Why not test the waters? If you are happy with the offer move on. If not keep testing the waters. Also, do some research by checking the online job advertisements to get an idea.


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    Sagar Rohankar
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    Thanks arulk, you always there to help us.

    Any thought about my skill set, do you wished me to try out new technologies/framework/language in respect to Java Web development for better job opportunity.
    Deepak Bala
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    To add to testing the waters, do not do it if you are not serious about making a change. The people who interview you will not be pleased if you do not take up the offer because you just wanted to know what the market was like.


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    Nikes Shah
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    At my current client place I have heard some senior managers talking about recession cycle.

    According to them "Every 6 to 7 years recession comes ".

    Well, talking about learning new skills I would say that it depends on requirement of a company. There are projects in finance domain which still use COBOL language and not Java or .Net.

    Sandeep Awasthi
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    Deepak Bala wrote:To add to testing the waters, do not do it if you are not serious about making a change. The people who interview you will not be pleased if you do not take up the offer because you just wanted to know what the market was like.

    Completely agree.


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    Deepak Bala
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    According to them "Every 6 to 7 years recession comes ".


    So they predict a recession in 2016 ? That was amusing

    There are projects in finance domain which still use COBOL language and not Java or .Net.


    I agree. I see some new COBOL code being written in Insurance industries also
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    Deepak Bala wrote:
    There are projects in finance domain which still use COBOL language and not Java or .Net.


    I agree. I see some new COBOL code being written in Insurance industries also


    That is true about COBOL. But for other technologies like PowerBuilder, you will find hard time to find openings though there may be less competition.
    Sagar Rohankar
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    Thanks Deepak, Sandeep and Nikes for the information.

    And I don't want to learn COBOL now, I'm seriously thinking about learning PHP, Spring and Hibernate.
    Maneesh Godbole
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    Deepak Bala wrote:To add to testing the waters, do not do it if you are not serious about making a change. The people who interview you will not be pleased if you do not take up the offer because you just wanted to know what the market was like.


    Disagree.
    I believe it is every person's right to explore the market and I do not see anything wrong in that.
    Just make sure you do not tell those guys, this is your practice interview (it happened to me recently. I was dumbfounded. Pained too. She was really cute!)

    A good way of declining an offer, but not burning the bridges, is saying "I do not feel, me coming on board at this stage, would be a win win situation for both of us. But I look forward to exploring more opportunities with you in the future."


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    Sandeep Awasthi
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    If you can give valid reason, then company may understand it. But if it becomes obvious from your reason that you were not serious about joining then no one would like it because some company may need person urgently. In this market company do not have big bench to have resources from when they get project. Many companies hire people only when they need them quickly ( person should be able to join in 15 days max ). So if company really need person urgently, the HR consultant or company HR will try hard to negotiate with you when you decline offer. But from your answers it becomes clear that you were not serious, I don't think they will like it.
    Monu Tripathi
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    A good way of declining an offer, but not burning the bridges, is saying "I do not feel, me coming on board at this stage, would be a win win situation for both of us. But I look forward to exploring more opportunities with you in the future."


    thanks for sharing this; might come handy


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    Nikes Shah
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    Sagar,

    Package hike depends on the company and their requirement.

    One of my friend switched job recently and got 65% hike in pune (He has more specific skills in Enterprise Content Management product than general Java/J2EE skills).

    In an average you should get 40 to 50 % hike. (Again it is variable...).

    In Mumbai one of my friend working on Java having 2 years of experience and 2.5 Lacs of package... resigned... but he got contra-offer from his company around 100%hike...

    About skills, Spring,Hibernate are hot in current market. Definitely you will get more offers
    if you have those skills.
    Deepak Bala
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    Monu Tripathi wrote:
    A good way of declining an offer, but not burning the bridges, is saying "I do not feel, me coming on board at this stage, would be a win win situation for both of us. But I look forward to exploring more opportunities with you in the future."


    thanks for sharing this; might come handy


    You better have a convincing answer when they ask you why you do not want to join. People tend to bark at you even when you do have a good answer. I tend to be choosy about where I apply to begin with.

    Of course blatantly saying that you are not interested is what I was referring to. A colleague had a similar experience to Maneesh's. And the candidate was not cute
    Sagar Rohankar
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    You guys telling me how to decline the offer politely, but in my case I want a job with good pay . Though this tips comes handy in future, when I really want to "test the water".

    And Nikes thanks for the reply.
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    You better have a convincing answer when they ask you why you do not want to join. People tend to bark at you even when you do have a good answer. I tend to be choosy about where I apply to begin with.

    Agree.
    Market idea you can get without having to go through complete selection process and at the end declining offer. Interview practice, not sure if you need it if you have some experience behind you. Going to interview without having seriousness of joining the company I consider is not right. But there are chances after going through all selection process you change your mind and now you feel this company may not match with what you are looking for. You can explain that when you decline the offer. You can even explain you got this knowledge only after I went through selection process.

    Problem comes when you got one offer which matches with what you are looking for. You accept it. Before joining you get more offers which also matches with what you are looking for and now you have to choose one. But this is different case. In this case you were serious in joining but you got another offers before you join which are better. In this case you can politely inform other companies ASAP that you will not join them.
    Monu Tripathi
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    Deepak Bala wrote:
    You better have a convincing answer when they ask you why you do not want to join. People tend to bark at you even when you do have a good answer. I tend to be choosy about where I apply to begin with.

    Of course blatantly saying that you are not interested is what I was referring to. A colleague had a similar experience to Maneesh's. And the candidate was not cute


    I am sure that wont be the ONLY reply I'll have. I really liked the way message ends.

    Make sure the candidate doesn't read this post of yours mate! ;)
    arulk pillai
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    Sagar Rohankar wrote:Thanks arulk, you always there to help us.

    Any thought about my skill set, do you wished me to try out new technologies/framework/language in respect to Java Web development for better job opportunity.



    Go through tutorials and high level concepts on

    -- EJB3
    -- WebServices
    -- Spring
    -- Hibernate
    -- JSF
    -- Struts
    -- JMS


    Check the online advertisements to see what the prospective employers are looking for.
    Sagar Rohankar
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    arulk pillai wrote:.. high level concepts on

    -- EJB3
    -- WebServices
    -- Spring
    -- Hibernate
    -- JSF
    -- Struts
    -- JMS

    Just need a small clarification,
    "high level concepts", mean just to know what this technology are, where they use, what they do and general architecture flow and NOT diving deep into the technical details, right ??
    arulk pillai
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    Yes. But, once you understand the high level concepts, it is really worth trying out some tutorials (there are so many online tutorials) and then find a way to apply it in open-source or self-taught projects. Once you have done this, you can add this to your resume. It is always better to have some level of understanding, exposure, & hands-on experience than to have no idea at all. This could differentiate you from the other candidates who have similar level of experience.
    Sagar Rohankar
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    Thanks a ton. A good piece of advice.
     
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