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What was first: "The chicken or the egg"

John Hembree
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Check this out: O'Reilly Learning Lab
I would have to say that the Cattle Drive is by far the better value even if it doesn't get you the free book. With theirs you only have 15 labs, you're learning about command line arguments in lab 6, and using a "for" loop at lab 8. Tackling the terrible "if" statement in lab 9, arrays in lab 12. Maybe when you graduate theirs you're ready for Java-1a at the cattle drive. What an incredible bargain here at the Cattle Drive, I am so glad I found this first.
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Pauline McNamara
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Looks like you write applets for the assignments. Wonder about that as a first time exposure to java, doesn't seem so straight forward. Can you learn java better if you get to draw pictures with it?
hmmm
Tom Purl
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Egg. Dinosaurs laid eggs and were the ancestors of the birds.
Just kidding of course.
I agree wholeheatedly. This is a fantastic service. I only wish I had signed up sooner.
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Donald R. Cossitt
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Gee - a FREE book for only $219 - and constructs to boot! Such a deal - oui vey!

I agree wholeheatedly. This is a fantastic service. I only wish I had signed up sooner.

Yeah, if I'd of started Cattle Drive sooner I'd be through with 4b possibly, maybe, by now, already. :roll: Maybe.
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jason adam
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Doesn't matter which came first, they both get eaten just the same
Pauline, I've seen a few books start out with very simple applets in the first or second chapter. Not sure if that is from the big explosion Java had because of what applets allowed you to do (which thankfully seems to have subsided because I despise programming GUIs), but my very first program in Java was an applet that said "Hello World" when you pressed a submit button. Might not have understood all the OO stuff going on, but I sure was hooked on the language.
And Donald, you keep chuggin' along there pardner, you'll be wrastlin the big bulls soon enough!
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Michael Matola
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JA: Doesn't matter which came first, they both get eaten just the same
Which have you had more of lately, Jason, roasted chicken or omelets?
For those who aren't in the know: Jason runs a chicken ranch.
I've seen a few books start out with very simple applets in the first or second chapter.
Yeah, that was the kind of stuff that made me scratch my head and say things like
Whereinthellis this "Graphics g" thingy coming from?
Elouise Kivineva
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I've taught programming basics to 17-20 yr.-olds. Showing them how to do some graphics is a teriffic way of getting students interested and willing to put a little effort into learning programming basics. I have started using the Graphics class as my intro to using the API. Kids will search out new methods & do a little work to learn how to use them if they can make cool pictures to show their friends.
Michael: I saw a movie about someone from Texas running a chicken ranch. Those "chickens" did wear some feathers sometimes but...
I had no idea we were in such colorful company.
Pauline McNamara
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I saw a movie about someone from Texas running a chicken ranch. Those "chickens" did wear some feathers sometimes but...
I had no idea we were in such colorful company.

Jason, you didn't tell us they made a movie about you! Such modesty...
Matthew Phillips
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I don't particularly like GUI programming myself, but I probably would not have become interested in programming if it wasn't for those first couple of applets I wrote. When I first started out it was much more satisfying to see a GUI that I wrote than something printed out on the command line.


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Pauline McNamara
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When I first started out it was much more satisfying to see a GUI that I wrote than something printed out on the command line.
I guess that seeing something appear on the command line was thrilling enough for me. Like Mike said above, I think I veered away from the "Graphics g thingy" because how it all worked wasn't clear enough to me. When you write println and something appears, well, for those who pulled out their hair trying to understand *exactly* what was going on, the thrill was in the pure simplicity of it.
Donald R. Cossitt
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I guess that seeing something appear on the command line was thrilling enough for me.

I am working as feverishly as possible to eliminate the AS400 'green screen' from our system and for the reason quoted. EBCDIC, RPG goodbye forever and not a minute too soon! That is probably the most user unfriendly system in existence. Unless of course we go back to DOS! I will take an intuitive GUI, point and click, drag and drop environment with tabs, drop downs and trees anyday - no more command lines for us!
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jason adam
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Well, I am originally from Texas, and I do have chickens, but it is definitely NOT the sort of ranch alluded to, though any comparisons between me and Dolly Parton are more than welcome (she rocks!).
Donald R. Cossitt
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(she rocks!).

I don't suppose you could actually call them rolls. :roll:
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jason adam
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I don't even want to dignify that with a "Booooo".
Pauline McNamara
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I'm a big fan of Dolly Parton. She's written half the songs that hit the country charts, and nobody even knows that's she's a songwriter.
 
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