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Patricia Samuel
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Is there anyone who can help me in getting out of this frustration. I faced an interview oflate and after that interview i was like to quit this line and it is not meant for me. I could not give answer of any of the question. I don't know from where those questions came. i have never heard about those. What should i do? i did my best to clear it but could not help.
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It happens, never loose HOPE.
failure is the stepping stone of success...

all the very best for your next interview


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Ulf Dittmer
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Were those questions not within your range of expertise? Maybe the requirements of the job you applied for were different from what you expected, and for something that you actually have no expertise in. Just because you may not be qualified for that particular job does not mean that you're not qualified for any job of that kind. Next time, try to get a better feeling for what a position requires before sending an application.


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Patricia Samuel
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I don't know what happened. They asked me to write a simple basic program. I did that and missed one test case to apply in that. They said that its really basic and your analytical skills are not upto the mark. And then after whatever they asked me i could not make confidence and could not reply any of that. But it was like i did not know the answers as well. I am 4years experienced and destroyed like this. Can you people suggest me how can i make my analytical and designing skill up to some level where i can stand with such guys.

Muse Ran
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One thing to keep in mind is that interviewers will want to find out what a candidate knows, so they may keep pushing the boundaries until they come to a point where the interviewee is no longer on firm ground. That needn't be a bad thing -nobody knows all the answers- but it's important how the interviewee reacts: does he admit that he doesn't know, or does he try to hide that fact?
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exactly
Tim Holloway
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Not everyone is suited for every job. I talked to some people recently, and their idea of a work environment was appalling. Basically, no room for initiative, predetermined technology stack, no telecommute options, basically they just wanted an anonymous army of posteriors in chairs mechanically grinding out code. I'm not even sure why they bothered with onshore employees, since that's pretty much the classical expectation (or sometimes complaint of) an overseas code factory. Except that they supposedly paid an average of about 40 lakhs/annum (in US dollars).

I wasn't too disappointed that they didn't follow up. My own specialty is surfing the envelope. In a previous position, I put their first Linux production server online and I was doing JSF back when a lot of local shops still thought Struts was new and exciting. So I don't fit well as a cog in a machine.


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Plus.... Sometimes you just run into an interview process from hell. People in a bad mood, stressed, being forced to do the interview. Role probably already filled, but have to go through the process to fulfill company requirements. etc. etc. etc.


I would not worry too much about one interview.... it should only be a concern if they keep happening.

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Patricia Samuel
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Everyone.. Thanks for motivating me....But this interview was something like a chance for me....

Lets see what future has in its lap.

Thanks again... i am bit relaxed now and focussed on improving my weak points.
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They were way out of line with personal insults, regardless of how you performed. It seems to me that it was a combination of not knowing some of the material they quizzed you on, and letting their rudeness throw you off your game. It happens. That's probably not a place you want to work anyway. By all means, keep studying the areas you want to work on. An IT career requires constant learning. Four years' experience? You're still a baby. Your abilities will improve with time, and if they don't, you can always transfer to management, where abilities are actually a liability.
Patricia Samuel
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Hey Greg...You're right... IT is a constant learning field. I am glad there is somebody who thinks 4 years' experience is not a stage where one knows everything from designing to coding.

And i really thank all of you for motivating me.

Cheers
Patricia
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In addition to what others had suggested, here are some points to think about:

  • Treat each interview as a free professional technical/behavioral training course. Have an attitude that even if you are not going to get the job, you are going to learn something good out of it. If you go with this attitude, you will put yourself in a win/win situation and you might really get the offer. If you take this attitude, you can learn a lot from your interviews.


  • Do not get put off by a tricky or a difficult question. Try to maintain your composure, confidence, enthusiasm, and interest in the position throughout the interview. The interviewer might be testing your soft skills, personality, and attitude. What really earns you a job is not just the technical skills, but the combination of your

    knowledge + experience + technical skills + soft skills + attitude + genuine interest in the position + professionalism and ethics + general interview etiquette

  • Finally, if you are not successful, be confident that something better will come through. Also, remember that reason for not getting through is not always reflection of your performance at the interview. Employers might be looking for a specific profile or cultural fit. They might even deem that you might not find the job exciting as you may be over qualified for the position. If the offers aren't flowing, it is vitally important that you work out what it is you are doing wrong.


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    John de Michele
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    Patricia:

    Also remember that an interview is a chance for them to market themselves to you as much as you to market yourself to them. It sounds like they're not for you. I've had some great interviews (my most current one) and some really tough ones (the previous round). I had an interview cycle that went through two phone interviews, two face-to-face, and they said that they were going to make an offer. Then they left me twisting in the wind, and offered the job to someone else. That hurt. So, just stay positive, and you'll find something you'll like.

    John.
    Patricia Samuel
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    Thanks John. I understand that it hurts. But it really hurts when someone raises a question on your ability. It was like only. They said i am poor at analytical skill. But this is not the case. If i could not resolve a problem completely then its not i am poor at brain and again if could solve what they say it does not mean i am brainy. Its a luck of matter. How do you perform at any given time and i have given a challenge to myself that they will see me one day working for the said client only . I have started to work on this target.

    Pillai - I really loved this line. "Treat each interview as a free professional technical/behavioral training course." And tomorrow i am having another interview and approaching it in this way only. I am going to extract some knowledge from them
    Pat Farrell
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    Patricia Samuel wrote: But it really hurts when someone raises a question on your ability.


    Actually, they were simply clods for commenting for your ears. Most rude. Consider yourself lucky not to have to work with these jerks.

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    You may want to review your resume - maybe it's giving off the wrong impression. There are also cases where recruiters ask to 'reformat' your resume, but they really reWRITE it.

    If they brought you in for a Senior Java Database programmer, but you've only ever done SWING, your resume may be wrong. A lot of the time, big companies literally parse a resume for keywords, and select candidates to interview from that. Make sure it really expresses what you know and are comfortable with.

    Look at this as a chance to review what you know. No interview is ever a waste of time - maybe this one will help you re-focus on what you know and don't know. And it is perfectly OK to not know something. I'd rather someone say "No, I don't know that but would be happy to learn" than have someone say "I know how to do that", then have them NOT know and waste time pretending to.


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    Sandeep Awasthi
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    Patricia Samuel wrote:Thanks John. I understand that it hurts. But it really hurts when someone raises a question on your ability. It was like only. They said i am poor at analytical skill. But this is not the case. If i could not resolve a problem completely then its not i am poor at brain and again if could solve what they say it does not mean i am brainy. Its a luck of matter.


    Well my suggestion is no emotions. If someone says you are poor analytical skills, then challenge him/her like ask him why do you think I have poor analytical skills? Justify it. And if he/she can justify it on the basis of your performance in interview, you have to accept it as your weak area and work on it / improve it. Like Arulk said every interview is free training, I would add, it is free opportunity to find out your weak areas. I have no intention to judge your analytical skills. But if your interviewer says you do not have good analytical skills he/she has to justify it and if you think you have good analytical skills you have to prove it. That is how it is. I can not say I am very good Tennis player without proving it on tennis court.


    Sandeep
    Pat Farrell
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    Sandeep Awasthi wrote: If someone says you are poor analytical skills, then challenge him/her ....


    In an interview? I think not. There is no way to "win" that one.
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    Pat Farrell wrote:
    Sandeep Awasthi wrote: If someone says you are poor analytical skills, then challenge him/her ....


    In an interview? I think not. There is no way to "win" that one.

    Why?

    You can ask it politely like. "Well I may not agree with you on it because to my knowledge I do have good analytical skills. May I know what gave you that impression?"
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    Sandeep Awasthi wrote:
    Pat Farrell wrote:
    Sandeep Awasthi wrote: If someone says you are poor analytical skills, then challenge him/her ....


    In an interview? I think not. There is no way to "win" that one.

    Why?


    I agree with Pat here.... assuming the definition of "winning" is getting a job.

    If you feel that the interview is over, which if you were called "poor", chances are it is over... then feel free to challenge. And heck, you may even get the interviewer to concede. But... quite frankly, I would not hold my breath to believe that you can change someone's mind to the point of getting a different first opinion.

    Henry


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    Sandeep Awasthi wrote:
    Pat Farrell wrote:In an interview? I think not. There is no way to "win" that one.
    Why?


    The person asking/saying that is a jerk. They have made up their mind. They have already decided that you are a loser and not worthy of respect.

    That they are so rude as to say it shows more about their brains, training and personality than it does about the person they just insulted.

    At any firm that I want to work at, the interview is a two way communication. They need to explain why I want to work there. I know that I am not desperate for their job, I can pick and chose the best fit for me. I spend part of my time showing them why they need me, and then they have to show me why they are a great fit for me. The hiring company has to sell me on joining them.

    In @Patricia's case, they not only forgot to sell her on how great a fit she would be, but they showed that she is much better off not working for a bunch of uncivilized clods. A good person will ask "why do I want to join a company where this clod's behavior is acceptable?" Once you ask that, you just say thank you and schedule your next interview.
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    Henry Wong wrote:
    Sandeep Awasthi wrote:
    Pat Farrell wrote:
    Sandeep Awasthi wrote: If someone says you are poor analytical skills, then challenge him/her ....


    In an interview? I think not. There is no way to "win" that one.

    Why?


    I agree with Pat here.... assuming the definition of "winning" is getting a job.


    Just accepting interviewers negative conclusion about some important skill is anyway not going to give you job. When interviewer clearly says you do not have good analytical skills, here I am creating one more opportunity to prove myself which otherwise I am not going to get and anyway I am not winning the interview.
    Pat Farrell
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    Henry Wong wrote:If you feel that the interview is over, which if you were called "poor", chances are it is over...

    I worked nearly 20 years at a huge multinational consulting company. They would officially schedule 50 minute interviews (with ten minutes to write up the result). Now, before they got to the interview "on campus" they were screened well, CV checked, interviewed at the university, etc.

    I would spent the first minutes assessing if the person was good enough to put effort into a proper assessment. Then as much as 10 minutes finding out what they really knew, how smart they were, etc. The last 30 minutes were spent selling the company to the recruit. I didn't say I was selling, but I talked about the great projects we worked on, how the recruit could fit in, how the team worked, how much we respect each other, etc.

    If the clod used the term "poor" then its not probably over, its over. Time for the fat lady to sing.
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    Sandeep:

    I have to agree with Pat. If your interviewer is telling you your skills aren't up to snuff, you can reasonably assume that a) you're not getting the job, regardless of how politely you have them explain their reasoning, and b) you probably don't want to work there, since even if your skills aren't up to the level they want, your interviewer should still be polite.

    John.
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    Well it depends. Someone may even try to get that job even after comment like "poor analytical skill". Because he/she need that job. It depends.
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    John de Michele wrote:Sandeep:

    I have to agree with Pat. If your interviewer is telling you your skills aren't up to snuff, you can reasonably assume that a) you're not getting the job, regardless of how politely you have them explain their reasoning, and b) you probably don't want to work there, since even if your skills aren't up to the level they want, your interviewer should still be polite.

    John.

    Agree with this.
    Pat Farrell
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    Sandeep Awasthi wrote: Because he/she need that job.


    No, I strongly disagree. No one needs a job that badly. Its better to sell hamburgers at McDonalds than work at some IT jobs.
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    Well to judge a company from one wrong comment by interviewer is everyone's own choice. I may not reach to conclusion about whole company from one comment by interviewer if yes I can do that, then if company rejects me for one of my wrong comments, I should not feel bad about it.
    Patricia Samuel
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    Hey,

    I don't need such a job where interviewers are such rude and I totally agree with Pat - Its better to sell hamburgers at McDonalds than work at some IT jobs.

    Well i have got another job in a better company. They were so humble in taking interview. At some instance i was stuck and they help me by giving some hints on that point and i were able to give the answers at those instances.

    Cheers
    Patricia

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    Well i have got another job in a better company. They were so humble in taking interview. At some instance i was stuck and they help me by giving some hints on that point and i were able to give the answers at those instances.


    Congratulations. I am glad things worked out for you


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    Patricia Samuel
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    Thanks Deepak.
    Sandeep Awasthi
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    If I am candidate, I would take this positively, it was insulting comment from interviewer so I will never forget to improve on it.

    I got this from one of discussion on network. I am not sure if it is allowed to post this in JR. But if not allowed, request to moderators to delete it.

    Subject: Fired from a newspaper because ...

    Told by a music teacher "as a composer he is hopeless" - Beethoven
    Told by a teacher he was "too stupid to learn anything" Thomas Edison
    Producer told her she was "unattractive" and could not act - Marilyn Monroe
    His first book was rejected by 12 publishing houses and sixteen agents. - John Grisham
    Fired from a newspaper, he "lacked imagination and had no original ideas" - Walt Disney

    All these people did not think "it is better to sell hamburgers at McDonalds."
     
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