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Deepak Guna
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Hi All,
I got offer from one of the TOP Companies in india. I have 4+ years of experience. My current organisation is a MNC where i have 3 + years of experience.

Here are my problems,

1. My first organisation has winded up their opertion couple of years ago. I had 1+ years of experience with them. It is a very small concern. I know few people who worked there and their contact details. Can this clear Background check ?

2. I completed B.E after 6 months of course completion,i.e i had arrears and i cleared it after 6 months , I told this to my first employer and they accepted this and allowed me to continue in their organisation. So i have 6 months of work experience during which i have completed my BE. will this affect in any ways? What would be my college BE end date ? is it course completion date or the last date i appeared and cleared all the arrears. My prospective employer asks for BE start and end date

Please help me

Thanks in advance,
-Deepak
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Of course man, the date of completion of your studies is the date that you are awarded with the degree.


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Deepak Guna
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Thanks Jothi!

Can i include the experience that i had before clearing the backlogs . because my first organisation allowed me to work provided that i should clear them in the next attempt , which i did.

Thanks,
-D
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Deepak Guna wrote:Thanks Jothi!

Can i include the experience that i had before clearing the backlogs . because my first organisation allowed me to work provided that i should clear them in the next attempt , which i did.

Thanks,
-D


Definitely...you worked for real. Isn't it? just include it.
Deepak Guna
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Thanks Jothi!

Just got relieved a bit Thanks again for your healing words !
Subramani Shiva
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Deepak Guna wrote:Thanks Jothi!

Can i include the experience that i had before clearing the backlogs . because my first organisation allowed me to work provided that i should clear them in the next attempt , which i did.

Thanks,
-D


It all depends on the company... most of the companies consider your work experience *post* graduation... so the experience you had while appearing for backlogs is equivalent to parttime/internship experience rather than a full time experience... I recruit numerous people for various teams in technical capacity and during our discussions with candidates and interaction with HR before rolling out offer letters - internship / pre graduation experience is not considered...
So do check with the company.... or if you feel it would reflect bad on your profile - better mention it as an internship experience as you didn't graduate at that time.....
And please take background checks seriously and do not make errors in dates and work experience.... everything is thoroughly checked now a days and I have personally seen numerous candiates showing 2-5 months extra as work exp which gets easily caught during the check and their offers are reverted...

Have reliable references for the previous company - say managers / senior management who now in better visible companies /position...
Jyoti Vaskar
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Subramani Shiva wrote:
And please take background checks seriously and do not make errors in dates and work experience.... everything is thoroughly checked now a days and I have personally seen numerous candiates showing 2-5 months extra as work exp which gets easily caught during the check and their offers are reverted...



Hello Sir,

I here goes eager to know how the companies do the background checks??
Is it only by the references??
But if so references also can be fraud??
Or the companies do hold the databases of the companies wherein the candidate worked??


thanks
Jyo
Subramani Shiva
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Jyoti Vaskar wrote:
Subramani Shiva wrote:
And please take background checks seriously and do not make errors in dates and work experience.... everything is thoroughly checked now a days and I have personally seen numerous candiates showing 2-5 months extra as work exp which gets easily caught during the check and their offers are reverted...



Hello Sir,

I here goes eager to know how the companies do the background checks??
Is it only by the references??
But if so references also can be fraud??
Or the companies do hold the databases of the companies wherein the candidate worked??



I wouldn't go in detail how the background check is done as I expect a candidate to be honest while giving work experience.... I would say that companies spend 5-10k / candidate to specialist firms that carry out background checks and these firms take their job seriously as there is a negative weight given to them if the candidate is found later that he had given misinformation. And there are candidates who have been fired after 4-5 - even 12 months after joining an organization when its been found that some information is incorrect. Its a multistage process and my advise is to be honest...
Jyoti Vaskar
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Subramani Shiva wrote:
I would say that companies spend 5-10k / candidate to specialist firms that carry out background checks...


5-10k/candidate ??? Its shocking!!!
Its not easily believable that companies do concern so much about their employees even though employees do perform well at their jobs!!
If an employee is good at everything then too a company spend so much on him ??
I think this would be the truth for bigger companies.
Neha Sen
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Joined: May 27, 2009
Posts: 20
Subramani Shiva wrote:
It all depends on the company... most of the companies consider your work experience *post* graduation... so the experience you had while appearing for backlogs is equivalent to parttime/internship experience rather than a full time experience... I recruit numerous people for various teams in technical capacity and during our discussions with candidates and interaction with HR before rolling out offer letters - internship / pre graduation experience is not considered...
So do check with the company.... or if you feel it would reflect bad on your profile - better mention it as an internship experience as you didn't graduate at that time.....
And please take background checks seriously and do not make errors in dates and work experience.... everything is thoroughly checked now a days and I have personally seen numerous candiates showing 2-5 months extra as work exp which gets easily caught during the check and their offers are reverted...

Have reliable references for the previous company - say managers / senior management who now in better visible companies /position...


Subramani Shiva wrote:

I wouldn't go in detail how the background check is done as I expect a candidate to be honest while giving work experience.... I would say that companies spend 5-10k / candidate to specialist firms that carry out background checks and these firms take their job seriously as there is a negative weight given to them if the candidate is found later that he had given misinformation. And there are candidates who have been fired after 4-5 - even 12 months after joining an organization when its been found that some information is incorrect. Its a multistage process and my advise is to be honest...
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Great to have people with so much knowledge about HR. Thank you for detail information and welcome to JR.
Subramani Shiva
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Jyoti Vaskar wrote:
Subramani Shiva wrote:
I would say that companies spend 5-10k / candidate to specialist firms that carry out background checks...


5-10k/candidate ??? Its shocking!!!
Its not easily believable that companies do concern so much about their employees even though employees do perform well at their jobs!!
If an employee is good at everything then too a company spend so much on him ??
I think this would be the truth for bigger companies.


Well just found out that my firm spends Rs.15K / Candidate after the offers are rolled out on back ground checks.... Maybe thats why we dont allow a candidate to enter the office till background check is completed.. It is a thorough and complete progress....

If the past references are not satisfactory / companies are not reputed (for example say a small unknown firm in Vizag / Vijawada / Hyd etc) we do filter out the candidates before interview most of the time... else if someone is through all the rounds and if checks are not satisfactory we end up filtering the candidate again..... Rs.15K is like 300USD and not a big amount considering the company information / systems candidate has access to if he joins the company and security checks and integrity of the candidate is one of the TOP priority before hiring one
Manikandan Swaminathan
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Subramani Shiva wrote:
If the past references are not satisfactory / companies are not reputed (for example say a small unknown firm in Vizag / Vijawada / Hyd etc) we do filter out the candidates before interview most of the time...


I dont agree with you.. Shiva. How can one judge a person's knowledge just by looking at the past company brand? Sounds very absurd to me. In my opinion, people working in small companies have very good knowledge than people who are working in the so called MNC's.

So it is completely absurd and ridiculous to filter the candidates even before interviewing them just because he/she does not come from a reputed MNC. I guess this kind of trend is there only in India.
Neha Sen
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Subramani Shiva
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raghuraman guruswamy wrote:
Subramani Shiva wrote:
If the past references are not satisfactory / companies are not reputed (for example say a small unknown firm in Vizag / Vijawada / Hyd etc) we do filter out the candidates before interview most of the time...


I dont agree with you.. Shiva. How can one judge a person's knowledge just by looking at the past company brand? Sounds very absurd to me. In my opinion, people working in small companies have very good knowledge than people who are working in the so called MNC's.

So it is completely absurd and ridiculous to filter the candidates even before interviewing them just because he/she does not come from a reputed MNC. I guess this kind of trend is there only in India.


It may be absurd to you to quite an extent but then there are certain divisions in an organization where we put specific requirements that candidate should be from iit/bits/nit/top colleges only / from x, y, z MNC only etc... And we get 50 resumes for a position- you dont expect a person to interview all 50 people... it is HIGHLY sensible and USEFUL to have filters otherwise the interviewing team will go crazy....
For example our final hit ratio is like 5%-10% say very rarely max 15% of the people interviewed... you cant expect a team to interview each and every resume they receive right? That would be ridiculous & absurd because shortlisting has to be done based on various criteria decided by an organization...
So there is always that first filter.. If the person is from top college (I have seen lots of amazing programmers not from the so called top colleges but then the requirements comes from top down) then small company work is ok if he is good programmer.... but if not then there is always a subtle filter even though it is not known openly.... even in salary there is sometimes a difference of 30% between someone from topnotch college and others even though both are doing same work.... unfortunate thing which is practiced around the world... top brand is always advantageous.... There are some companies that are exception to these filters but lots of them practice these...

So it is always better to go via referral as resume is processed if someone within an organization refers and a candidate may be interviewed otherwise resume just goes into hibernation if it doesn't meet the filters.....


Neha Sen
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do you work in IT or HR? even my manager do not know so many things about HR. and i worked in fortune 10 company after having gap. company knew it, still they selected me after looking at my talent in interview. not only that, they always sent me onsite for important project very frequently.
Neha Sen
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Subramani Shiva
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Neha Sen wrote:[DELETED]


I am quite surprised by this message as I have been speaking about the background verification process in detail as there are significant number of people who try to fake their work experience & we come across it regularly and I am trying to share experiences to make them understand that it is better to be honest w.r.t your work experience and have sufficient proofs coz candidates get rejected on that behalf .... [DELETED]
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raghuraman guruswamy wrote:

I dont agree with you.. Shiva. How can one judge a person's knowledge just by looking at the past company brand? Sounds very absurd to me. In my opinion, people working in small companies have very good knowledge than people who are working in the so called MNC's.


do not get too much scared. you have to be always careful when you read advices in forum [DELETED].
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Manikandan Swaminathan
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All,

Please ignore my previous post.

Thanks,
Raghu

 
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