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Vikas Kapoor
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Hello Guys,

Since last month through news I am seeing that the death toll is increasing because of this swine flue. In Gujarat only it's around 100 deaths reported officially.

My question is, aren't there any vaccines to prevent it? If there aren't any vaccines, then are there any medicines to recover from it? I am really worried because as per my knowledge there is neither vaccine nor medicine for it. Is that true?

Is mask enough to prevent it? If so how long? Because it's been a while now since Swine Flu has spread.

Here, in US too, initially few people were affected but as time progressed, government released medicine as well as vaccine and now it's almost disappeared or atleast under control.

This seems like really really serious situation. People are not going to stop doing their job or day to day activities. So it's going to spread more and more.

Does anyone have any idea if precautionary steps are being taken by Indian government? or importing vaccines? Anyway to not get affected from Swine flu?
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Vikas Kapoor wrote:

My question is, aren't there any vaccines to prevent it? If there aren't any vaccines, then are there any medicines to recover from it? I am really worried because as per my knowledge there is neither vaccine nor medicine for it. Is that true?


Yes it is true that there are no vaccines to prevent it. There is medicines to recover from it i.e TamiFlue....but the virus of swine flue seems to have mutated(as per reports) against this medicine and have grown resistent to it.
Vikas Kapoor wrote:
Is mask enough to prevent it? If so how long? Because it's been a while now since Swine Flu has spread.


No masks are not sufficient to stop you from getting infected by swine flue.The virus is small enough to penetrate the mask... But N95 mask can stop it.....There are directions to use it....read those carefully before use....
Vikas Kapoor wrote:
Here, in US too, initially few people were affected but as time progressed, government released medicine as well as vaccine and now it's almost disappeared or atleast under control.
I live in Pune, India....one of the most hard hit places in India....here in India government is taking least efforts to control it and spread awareness to stop it from spreading....don't be afraid....you are safe....

Vikas Kapoor wrote:
Does anyone have any idea if precautionary steps are being taken by Indian government? or importing vaccines? Anyway to not get affected from Swine flu?

Very little is being done.....but I have faith in Indian government.....and if it fails at-least we have GOD....as your savior.....


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Mike Simmons
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I'm a bit confused. Why is there an [India] tag in the title? Does anyone think that swine flu is only of interest in India? Does anyone think that replies from non-Indian persons, or persons in non-Indian locales, should be discouraged in this thread? If so, perhaps you could find a less global forum for your discussions.
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Mike Simmons wrote:I'm a bit confused. Why is there an [India] tag in the title? Does anyone think that swine flu is only of interest in India? Does anyone think that replies from non-Indian persons, or persons in non-Indian locales, should be discouraged in this thread? If so, perhaps you could find a less global forum for your discussions.


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Vikas, you can use the button to edit the title.
Pushkar Choudhary
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Maneesh Godbole wrote:Swing Flu


Swing flu???
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Pushkar Choudhary wrote:
Maneesh Godbole wrote:Swing Flu


Swing flu???


Oops!
Jules Bach
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There is a vaccine to prevent Swine Flu - however like many vaccines it cannot be said to provide 100% immunity.

Here in the UK - the government has ordered millions of vaccine doses and is issuing them as per a priority list through the NHS. My wife gets hers today because she is pregnant.

The masks are pretty much useless at filtering out virus particles. However, wearing a mask reduces the frequency touching your mouth/nose with your hands, and thus prevents transmission in an indirect way.






W. Joe Smith
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Jules Bach wrote:There is a vaccine to prevent Swine Flu - however like many vaccines it cannot be said to provide 100% immunity.

Here in the UK - the government has ordered millions of vaccine doses and is issuing them as per a priority list through the NHS. My wife gets hers today because she is pregnant.

The masks are pretty much useless at filtering out virus particles. However, wearing a mask reduces the frequency touching your mouth/nose with your hands, and thus prevents transmission in an indirect way.



Congrats (on the baby, not the vaccine........however here that should be congratulated too since it is still really hard to get)!

I'm not worried about swine flu, personally. I would be curious to see firm numbers now comparing the number of people that die from seasonal flu and the death toll of the swine flu. Plus I recall the last "major disease", SARS, that was supposed to wipe us out.


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Vikas Kapoor
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Mike Simmons wrote:I'm a bit confused. Why is there an [India] tag in the title? Does anyone think that swine flu is only of interest in India? Does anyone think that replies from non-Indian persons, or persons in non-Indian locales, should be discouraged in this thread? If so, perhaps you could find a less global forum for your discussions.


Mike, I have never said that non-indian can not participate otherwise this thread might have been locked. If you read my post carefully,

My Self wrote:Here, in US too, initially few people were affected but as time progressed, government released medicine as well as vaccine and now it's almost disappeared or atleast under control.


It is pretty under control but in India it worst. The other reason to discuss at Javaranch is , people are smart and to get really intelligent and to the point answer.

Mike Simmons wrote:If so, perhaps you could find a less global forum for your discussions.


I agree. and I didn't know such community.

PS: I have changed the thread title.
Vikas Kapoor
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H1N1 vaccine ready, India napping

Baxter has developed the vaccine for this. but it is not able to supply as per demand. Can't it pass the formula to other countries so that they can also do the production. I know that Baxter has done tons of research but this is a question of life and death. They should sell it for some price.

The situation is damn serious and it fatal as there no way to recover from it or prevent it. If you are caught you are gone. What the hell.
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Vikas Kapoor wrote:The situation is damn serious and it fatal as there no way to recover from it or prevent it. If you are caught you are gone. What the hell.


Don't be so alarmist. H1N1 is not always fatal. Its not even fatal to most folks who get it. It can be fatal to folks in poor health before they get it.

I don't know the stats from India, but in the US, there are always thousands of deaths each year from the normal flu. Usually to the very young and the very old. H1N1 is not changing that. There have been fewer deaths due to H1N1 than the normal flu in a typical year.

The only really noteworthy thing about H1N1 is that old folks don't seem to be hit as hard as usual. There is a theory that they got some immunity from it 40 years ago or more. But its only a theory.

People die of the flu every year. Don't panic.
W. Joe Smith
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Pat Farrell wrote:Don't panic.


A good friend of mine, Ford Prefect, told me the same thing once.....then my planet was destroyed by Vogons.....

But back to H1N1...I heard a report the other day that some evidence is coming forward that some people (I think it was a pretty significant number) may have already had H1N1 and not even known it. Similarly to getting a mild flu, where the symptoms are present but not bad, some people have had basically a mild reaction to it. They quoted some testing place that was testing people for it, and the test were coming back with evidence they had contracted H1N1, but it had alreadly almost run its course and the people barely knew they were sick.

I'm not saying H1N1 isn't serious for some people, but I don't think this is the "world ending" disease it is being made out to be.
Vikas Kapoor
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Pat Farrell wrote:
Vikas Kapoor wrote:The situation is damn serious and it fatal as there no way to recover from it or prevent it. If you are caught you are gone. What the hell.


Don't be so alarmist. H1N1 is not always fatal. Its not even fatal to most folks who get it. It can be fatal to folks in poor health before they get it.

I don't know the stats from India, but in the US, there are always thousands of deaths each year from the normal flu. Usually to the very young and the very old. H1N1 is not changing that. There have been fewer deaths due to H1N1 than the normal flu in a typical year.

The only really noteworthy thing about H1N1 is that old folks don't seem to be hit as hard as usual. There is a theory that they got some immunity from it 40 years ago or more. But its only a theory.

People die of the flu every year. Don't panic.


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Vikas Kapoor
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W. Joe Smith wrote:I'm not saying H1N1 isn't serious for some people, but I don't think this is the "world ending" disease it is being made out to be.


Joe, I think I was unclear my first post. The only reason for worrying is , no medicine and vaccine are available in India.

Let's say someone has Malaria. If you have medicine then no need to worry but if you don't have medicine then even smallest disease can be fatal.
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But there is not much to show that the vaccine does much. And virus are not really helped much by medicines post sickness. There are only two, and they address the symptoms, not the illness.

Now, since India has so many folks, it has more smart people and more poor people than most other places. And the poor unhealthy folks are clearly at risk. But then, poor unhealthy folks often get the bad side of many things.
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Vikas,
While it is fine to talk about things that happen in any country, I think Mike was getting at the way to go about it.

Consider if you said:
Since last month through news I am seeing that the death toll is increasing in India because of this swine flue. In Gujarat only it's around 100 deaths reported officially.

(Gujarat probably covers it, but sticking India in the sentence reads better in the subject.) Sticking [India] in the subject comes across as if the creator thinks I am not welcome in the thread because I'm not from India. After all, I don't put [US] or [New York] in my threads.

Plus we learn things by reading. For example, I learned what BHK means in this thread.


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In New York City, the vaccine is available. We went through a couple waves with the vaccine:
  • Vaccine not available, but people scared and want it
  • Vaccine available in limited quantities and people argued over who should get it first
  • Plenty of vaccine available and a significant percentage didn't want it over safety issues


  • Personally, I didn't get the vaccine. I live alone and am not putting anyone else at risk due to close contact.

    I mention that I live in New York because the first US outbreak was here. (In fact it was in my part of New York City - less than 10 miles away.) This either means people are more careful or we've had longer to get used to it or ...
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    Pushkar Choudhary wrote:
    Maneesh Godbole wrote:Swing Flu


    Swing flu???

    So wondering around in the Swing AWT forum kicked in for Maneesh ...
    John Bengler
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    There are at least 3 different vaccines for H1N1: Celvapan, Focetria and Pandemrix. I don't know if that names are used worldwide or only here in Europe.

    We had a small scandal here in Germany, because for the politicians and for the army a different vaccine was ordered than for the rest of the population...

    Regarding numbers: here in Germany we had so far nearly 200 000 infected persons but only 94 people died. And most of them had some serious diseases in addition to swine flu.
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    Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:In New York City, the vaccine is available. We went through a couple waves with the vaccine:


    Yea, there is plenty of vaccines in NYC -- at least, for anyone who wants it. It is amazing. Long lines for it in one week, and plenty of extras the following week. I got the vaccine while at my doctors for my regular blood test.


    I think the issue with the H1N1 when compared to the seasonal flu, is that it can transfer between humans and animals (pigs, cats, etc.). This means that it has many more options for mutations. It also can hide in animals as they are not going to get a flu shot.

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    Jules Bach
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    It is true that the virus is not particularly nasty for most people in it's current state.

    An interesting feature of the flu virus is that it able to swap pieces of genetic code with other flu strains in the same host. Fortunately, this doesn't seem to happen too often. But, there is a chance if a single individual is infected with both swine flu and another strain of flu, a novel strain will be produced. This novel strain could have the 'advantage' that swine flu has in terms of being relatively unfamiliar to the human immune system.

    While the vaccine might not be hugely beneficial to a single individual, the more people that get it, the greater our "herd immunity" is to swine flu (and it's potential variants).

    It's a bit of a prisoner's dilemma when you consider there is personal risk in being vaccinated yet the overall expected outcome is much more favorable the more people that get vaccinated. Ideally, you want everyone in the world to be vaccinated except you!
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    H1N1 vaccine to arrive soon in India, but common man won't get it
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    I've got it. Should've gotten the shot I guess...

    So far, it's just like a really bad, miserable cold. One oddity: usually when I have a cold or the flu, I sleep most of the time. With this one, it's like I'm constantly high on caffeine and I can't get any sleep. I think that's the worst part.


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    You are at home? Or you have internet access in hospital? Definitely you are not at office, are you?
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    At home. I'm sure that my co-workers would not appreciate me coming in and breathing on their keyboards.


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    H1N1 is not a deadly virus.It can seriously affect only those who have weak immune system.Some time one may not even realize that the virus has attacked his body and his immune system will destroy those intruders.
    During early days of this disease in Bangalore,once i had fever like symptoms so i went to Rajiv Gandhi Institute ,which was the single hospital that had the facility to check the H1N1 symptoms.There was a long queue,i had to sit in between all other patients for half an hour.Almost every body had masked their face except few like me. Luckily i was not found positive.
    If you want to avoid this just keep your immune system strong.Here is one link which is actually correct ,Its possible to increase your immune system by consuming 1 or 2 herbs.I believe prevention is better than cure.
    In fact number of people die because of disease like malaria is more in India as compared to H1N1.

    @Bear Bibeault: Get well soon and do post your recovery.


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    Tonight is the first time I feel like I'm getting better rather than worse, so I think I'm on the mend! About time!

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