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Mohammad Ashrafuddin Ferdousi
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Hi all,

I know jsp. But do not accomplish any project using core jsp. So, i want to found an answer about jsp.


We all are know that, there are several java frameworks already in java world. So, is there any reason to know jsp and also JSTL for developing JEE applications?

I want to know your opinion based on real life projects. Please share with me.


Thanking you
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Most Java web frameworks are built upon JSP and servlets. By not understanding JSP, you severely limit your ability to understand how those frameworks operate.

With regards to real world projects, I've been writing web applications for over 10 years and use JSP (and since 2002, JSTL) in all of them.


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+1, most Java web applications use JSP (or something JSP-like) for the presentation layer, although there are some exceptions.
Mohammad Ashrafuddin Ferdousi
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Most Java web frameworks are built upon JSP and servlets. By not understanding JSP, you severely limit your ability to understand how those frameworks operate.

With regards to real world projects, I've been writing web applications for over 10 years and use JSP (and since 2002, JSTL) in all of them.


Sir,
Thanks for your great response. But I am in trouble now. As you have a great experience on java web development and frameworks, so i need some points from you and other peoples also.

I have to start a project on Jee within 1 month. I know jse but also need to learn framework like spring, hibernate, jsf and structs 2 also. But I am not a very well understanding on core jsp and jstl.

I want to develop my basics very strongly on jsp, servlet and jstl also. Another side is, i have to learn frameworks. All these things i have to do within one month and then start working.


What i think, if i can do some core jsp and servlet and jstl related projects that can develop my basics very strong. But sorrowly, i have not enough time to maintain and accomplish all of this. What you think?

So, please give your opinion and suggestion what I should do. I am so much confused to take decision. Think, you are experienced and experience tells better most of the time.

So, please consider and suggest me what to do. Have a nice day.


Regards
codeperl
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Regardless of how much time you do or do not have, you can't study calculus without knowing algebra. Make sure you understand the basics first.
Mark E Hansen
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Each of those topics you've mentioned are going to take time to learn. If you were to learn it all within 30 days, you'd be a much faster learner than I

As was said, start with the Basics. Servlets and JSP. All else depends on this. Have a look at the tutorials on the web site of the book Core Servlets http://www.coreservlets.com/. You can download for free in PDF format the chapters from that book here: http://pdf.coreservlets.com/. This is a great resources.

What you do after that is up to you. I would probably tackle JSTL next.

Also, read through the FAQs of interest to you: http://faq.javaranch.com/search?CategoryFaq
Mohammad Ashrafuddin Ferdousi
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thanks for your reply. Is there any other books which can help me more friend?
Mark E Hansen
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Mohammad Ashrafuddin Ferdousi wrote:thanks for your reply. Is there any other books which can help me more friend?


Books for what? Servlets and JSP? How about http://moreservlets.com/ with individual chapters available in PDF format for free here: http://pdf.moreservlets.com/

Or do you mean something else?

Mohammad Ashrafuddin Ferdousi
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Mark E Hansen wrote:
Mohammad Ashrafuddin Ferdousi wrote:thanks for your reply. Is there any other books which can help me more friend?


Books for what? Servlets and JSP? How about http://moreservlets.com/ with individual chapters available in PDF format for free here: http://pdf.moreservlets.com/

Or do you mean something else?


Sir,
Thanks for your response. I already start to read and implement this books. I am now on the part of jsp. But found that, the book is a little bit old. So, I am very much interested to know about some new and easy ebooks which will help me to learn about the latest jsp and servlet coding. Can you suggest some newer and other ebooks?

Sir, a question. Can you please answer. Do you think that, If i accomplish this book, It will cover the whole JSP and SERVLET technologies?

I found you very very helpful. So, thanks for your support and consideration.


thanking you
codeperl
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The Head First JSP and Servlet book is up-to-date and popular. You might want to give it a look.
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By 'ebook' I wonder if you mean Free? Free technology books are pretty rare. The Core Servlets (and More Servlets) books are a happy exception.
If we don't support the authors (by purchasing their books), then they may just quit writing altogether - in which case we would all lose

I used the Core Servlets PDFs and found them very, very helpful. I don't think those books are all that out of date (technology-wise). Note that the Core Servlets and JavaServer Pages Advanced Technologies, 2nd Edition was published in 2008.
 
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