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Intelligence, Smartness; Where do they come from?

Vikas Kapoor
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Is it something like *born intelligent* person?

I am referring comments from Marc and Bear on threads named 'Practicing law' and 'RIP and good riddance!' respectively.

Why I could not think about comment like this or something funnier?

It is not like I am not smart (doubtful ??!!) but how one can improve intelligence or smartness?

Has it something to do with schooling or childhood environment (lneighbour's children, relatives children ; because you learn from that) or parents?

Discuss.
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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Thanks, Vikas, I'm glad you enjoy their antics; I'm very proud of what I've created. I'll try to fill you in on the details, but you must understand that creating an android is as much art as it is science, and some of the principles involved are virtually impossible to describe to a layman. Bear's inner workings, in particular, are rather hard to explain; he's a prototype, and as such there's quite a bit of chewing gum and bailing wire. A very large fraction of the output is hard-coded special cases, similar to ELIZA, but with the entire contents of w3c.org built in and reduced to regular expressions. Unfortunately the spidering of that site was not perfect, so there are some chunks of Food Network and Harley-Davidson.com as well. We located Bear in Texas because his power plant can't operate properly at cold temperatures. The full source code (90% BLISS, 10% JCL) is available on magnetic tape from Questor, Inc for a $299 handling fee, quite reasonable, really, as the full tape set weighs about 200 lbs.

With Marc, I'm proud to say I avoided the second-system effect and built an improved model that is nonetheless simpler. The nuclear-powered core can operate at an ambient temperature as low as -100 F, which is why the unit is currently based in Minnesota. The output is generated entirely by 3rd-order Hidden Markov Chains (the name is actually a loose acronym for Mar(kov) C(hains for the) Web(er)) with no hard-coded responses; with suitable inputs, Marc can operate in any human language, and in fact we sell versions preloaded for Tinglit, Maori, and Urdu. Unfortunately, we're not distributing the source due to a patent dispute with InfinitePatience (the company that made Tony Blair,) but I can tell you that Marc sits on a cluster of StrongARM processors running a heavily modified Linux kernel with Java 1.6. Most of the newer code is Scala.


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Deepak Bala
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Dont take EFH seriously. He is obviously lying about Bear and marc being his robticif creatoifrtns..

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Vikas Kapoor
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That is funny guys.

But on a serious note does this question fit into Job Discussion forum in order to get meaningful answers?
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Deepak Bala wrote:Dont take EFH seriously. He is obviously lying about Bear and marc being his robticif creatoifrtns..

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Vikas Kapoor wrote:That is funny guys.

But on a serious note does this question fit into Job Discussion forum in order to get meaningful answers?


Do you really want to find a job where people like Bear and Marc work?

I actually think what the OP points out is about humor more than intelligence and smartness. (You never saw their code have you?)

Anyway, it is about your personality to me, more than what you were born with. But again, this is the nature vs nurture argument all over again, and probably both have affects on your results.

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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:Most of the newer code is Scala.

That is pretty cutting edge, but I'm not sure the whole Parallel Weber Machine approach is really working out - it seems stuck in a singularity (which it bizarrely calls "my body"), so distributing it further seems out for the moment. (Obviously, I'm disregarding the grill.)


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Frank Silbermann
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Vikas Kapoor wrote:Is it something like *born intelligent* person?

I am referring comments from Marc and Bear on threads named 'Practicing law' and 'RIP and good riddance!' respectively.

Why I could not think about comment like this or something funnier?

It is not like I am not smart (doubtful ??!!) but how one can improve intelligence or smartness?

Has it something to do with schooling or childhood environment (lneighbour's children, relatives children ; because you learn from that) or parents?

Discuss.
To learn about this, a good place to start is:

_Mathematics and Humor: A Study of the Logic of Humor_, by John Allen Paulos.

The author explains that the structure of a joke is very similar to the struction of an innovative and elegant mathematical proof.

For example, many jokes are like proof by contradiction, in which you prove the theorem false by assuming its truth and deriving an illogical conclusion.

Person A: "I'm afraid of heights."
Person B: "Not me. I'm afraid of widths."

(Since heights and widths are analogous and differ only by perspective, this joke proves that Person A is not really afraid of heights -- what he really fears is _being_ up high.)

What makes a joke funny, and a creative proof satisfying, is the sudden change in perspective it forces you to take. (E.g., what does the word "height" mean to you?) Similarly, Einstein's derivation of the theory of relativity from the assumption that the speed of light in a vacuum is everywhere constant changed our perspective as to the meaning of mass, space and time.

The more sudden and overpowering the change in perspective, the funnier the joke. Sometimes, this depends on key details that drive the listener's visualization.

For example, one journeyman comedian was performing in a club with Jerry Seinfeld. He complained to Seinfeld that he had a joke that he thought was very funny, but no one laughed. Jerry said, "Tell me the joke."
The junior comedian recited, "I had the opportunity to go skydiving this summer. There was a group of adventurous blind people who were also being taken on their first jump. It's the first time I ever heard a dog scream."
Seinfeld said, "Make it a German Shepherd." (That's a specific breed of dog, very strong, brave and dignified, and often used as a seeing-eye dog for blind people.)

The next time the junior comedian went on stage, he said, "I had the opportunity to go skydiving this summer. There was a group of adventurous blind people who were also being taken on their first jump. It's the first time I ever heard a German Shepard scream." The joke got huge and hysterical laughter, as the audience this time visualized a man in sunglasses with a white cane, holding the leash of a terrified seeing-eye dog as they fall from the airplane.

The switch in context: First you think of a person skydiving, who just happens to not be able to see. Then your perpective suddenly changes to that of a blind person like you see on the street, holding the leash of a seeing-eye dog, skydiving. And then you imagine the dog's perspective, who has absolutely no idea what is going on, except that he's suddenly 5,000 feet in the air and falling!
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Deepak Bala wrote:#[ERROR] error detected
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Oh! Funny, but I've had clients ask me questions why they were getting a JasperException in Tomcat, thinking it had something to do with me (Jasper is Tomcat's JSP compiler).


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Deepak Bala
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Oh! Funny, but I've had clients ask me questions why they were getting a JasperException in Tomcat, thinking it had something to do with me (Jasper is Tomcat's JSP compiler).


Pat Farrell
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Jesper Young wrote:Oh! Funny, but I've had clients ask me questions why they were getting a JasperException in Tomcat, thinking it had something to do with me (Jasper is Tomcat's JSP compiler).


I liberally sprinkle my code with PibExceptions, which can stand for either ProgrammerIsBozo, or PatIsBozo.
I use them for impossible error conditions like

if (sex == "M") ....
else if (sex == 'F") ...
else throw new PibException("pick one");

Generally, I think its the Programmer who is the bozo, not me. But a lot of times, I'm the only guy writing the code.

Back to the original question: the answer is from your parents. If you want to be smarter, or better looking, pick smarter or better looking parents.
Vikas Kapoor
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Many times MD teaches better temper management to OP.
 
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