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Alan Peltz
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Joined: Dec 12, 2003
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I've never used spring or any of the other IoC or dependency interjection type frameworks, but I like the concepts. The reason my company doesn't use them is because we are a state agency and state agencies tend to be safe. If it isn't put out by IBM or Oracle, we might not ever get to use it. Those companies are pushing heavy frameworks for self-serving purposes. Do you think there will ever come a day when the IBMs and Oracles of this world will embrace and incorporate the Springs of this world? Does this question go against the rules of dependency interjection altogether?
Mary Wallace
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Joined: Aug 25, 2003
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Why state agencies doesnt want to implement any frameworks?

Most of the state agencies projects are developed by vendors and they are the deciding factors whether to got with any framework or not. Am i right?
Alexandru Popescu
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Alan I think the things will go the other way around: meaning Spring (or other frameworks) will try to incorporate more and more plugin functionaliy provided by big solutions.

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Alexandru Popescu
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Originally posted by Mary Wallace:
Why state agencies doesnt want to implement any frameworks?

Most of the state agencies projects are developed by vendors and they are the deciding factors whether to got with any framework or not. Am i right?


I think the decission is more business/financial. Moreover many companies are behind the times in that they do not understand very well the power behind open source solutions with great communities.

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Alan Peltz
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Joined: Dec 12, 2003
Posts: 20
Originally posted by Mary Wallace:
Why state agencies doesnt want to implement any frameworks?

Most of the state agencies projects are developed by vendors and they are the deciding factors whether to got with any framework or not. Am i right?


We develop most of our projects in house, but don't have the freedom to use whatever we want. There are restrictions and processes before we do anything.

As far as my initial question goes. I like some of the drag-and-drop programming things I see in JDeveloper and other products like that. Do you ever see an IDE making a drag-and-drop type interface without using heavy frameworks and EJBs?
 
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