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SCJP fourm - Restructuring : a suggestion from a humble Java Rancher

Sudhakar Duraiswamy
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Hi JavaRanch Admin,
I would like to make a suggestion which i hope would better the functioning of Java Ranch SCJP community.

Suggestions are as follows:

1. Create Subforums under Programmer Certification (SCJP) like

Java operators
Inheritance
Threads
...
... etc

so that people could post the questions in appropriate section.

2. Following the above structure would help members who would like to browse through
the questions related to a particular topic.




I sincerly believe following this structure would help members preparing for SCJP a breeze!

Awaiting your reply



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paul wheaton
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Hmmm, I'm trying to wrap my head around the suggestion. It seems that what we have now is easy and is working well. I can see what you are suggesting is different and, possibly, a few people would like it better. My gut feeling is that if we implemented it and then asked people "do you like the new way or the old way better?" that 40% would say "don't care", 40% would say "I like the old way better" and 20% would say "I like the new way better"

Or is there something in your suggestion I don't understand yet?


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fred rosenberger
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Another thing to point out would be the additional headaches this would cause moderators. We already spend a significant amount of time moving threads from the 'wrong' forum to the 'right' one. I can easily see this sort of granularity increasing that work, along with additional discussions of "why did you move my thread from 'a' to 'b'". And don't forget about 'grey' threads that could go in any of 2 or 3 forums.

I'm not saying I think it's a bad idea, but I don't see the benefits - especially since we have a 'search' feature you could use to get many questions on 'java operators'.

If you think this would have benefits, can you elaborate on how they would outweigh the negatives?


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Jaikiran Pai
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I have seen forums where you can "tag" or add a topic to a "category" (or multiple categories). So for example, when you post a question related to inheritance in SCJP forum, you can tag it with "inheritance". Then whenever you want to look for questions related to inheritance in SCJP forum, you can search by "tag" within that forum.

However, again the problem with this kind of feature (from what I have seen in other forums) is it's gross misuse. Everyone starts adding all kinds of unrelated or remotely related tags to their questions, which leads to the feature being completely useless.


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Bert Bates
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A chance to stand on my soapbox for a minute...

Another way to get a lot of the benefits you're looking for would be for ranchers to put much more meaningful titles on their threads - for instance if everyone added the Oracle/Sun objective # to the title it would help the searching a lot.


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Sudhakar Duraiswamy
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Thanks for the reply Guys,

As pointed out by fred & paul , i do understand that implementing sub-forums would become a maintenance nightmare.

But as Pai pointed out implementing tags , would greatly help organizing and browsing forum posts topic wise (atleast for exam forums like SCJP).

@Bert:
Yes ,your suggestion is valid but it would only solve a part of the problem.

Say we could persuade people to use prefix ‘Oracle/Sun objective #’ for SCJP forum questions, members posting on a particular topic might choose
different names for the same topic
Example :
‘Oracle/Sun objective # Object Creation’
Some would provide ‘Oracle/Sun objective # Object Instantiation’ etc

And we would end in scenario similar to the current one.



The issue that I would like to address is to browse all content based on a certain topic.

My Suggestion would be

  • Java Ranch Moderators/Admin to create Tags (so that people don’t end up creating multiple tags all pointing to the same thing)
  • When a Post is created by a member , before posting he/she could only choose from the tags available.
  • As a test feature we could probably rollout only in SCJP , and if it finds taking among members we could make this as permanent.

  • Henry Wong
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    Sudhakar Duraiswamy wrote:
    My Suggestion would be

  • Java Ranch Moderators/Admin to create Tags (so that people don’t end up creating multiple tags all pointing to the same thing)
  • When a Post is created by a member , before posting he/she could only choose from the tags available.
  • As a test feature we could probably rollout only in SCJP , and if it finds taking among members we could make this as permanent.



  • Of course, you do realize that this tagging feature that you speak of doesn't exist. Not in the GUI. Not in the database. No pages that allows the admin of it. No feature of jforum, such as list, post, search, etc., support it. All of this has to be implement first... before step one of your suggestion list.

    Not saying that it won't happen... in fact, it is such a common feature of other sites, that it has proven itself to be a good idea. I am saying, however, that complex features may take a long time, if it is done at all, and maybe there are other options?

    Henry


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