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Namitha karupaiya
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http://www.coderanch.com/t/498224/Ranch-Office/thread-locked-without-proper-reason


Can't I discuss the behavior of Bear Bibeault here? Have I behaved in the above thread inappropriately?
Paul Sturrock
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I think it was explained why that happened. See your earlier thread.


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paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
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I am the owner of this site.

First, I must say that I think the staff is doing a first rate job.

Second, I looked at your previous thread and frankly I was surprised to get to the end of the thread and not find you banned.

I suspect that by opening this thread, you will say something disrespectful and I will then ban you from JavaRanch.

I think it is fair that people can raise concerns about the way things are run. Or, more accurately, make suggestions on how to improve things.

I think a very few people seem to think that the site should be managed as their personal plaything without regard for my goals or the comfort of others. It is easier to simply ban these people.

So, you want to discuss Bear? One of the most generous contributors to JavaRanch? Although you seem to want him punished, I think your positon really should be to attempt to understand why Bear's actions are correct and your conceptions are in error. Any other approach will probably end with you getting banned.


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paul wheaton
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One last thing. This was something I wanted to say in the last thread.

The last thread was titled "My thread locked without a proper reason"

First, I wish to make it clear: all threads here are mine. Not yours.

Second, I know for a fact that the thread was locked for a proper reason. You just don't know what that reason was.

Third, when I personally lock a thread, or delete a thread, or ban somebody, I usually don't say anything. I just don't want to bother with it. Usually when I take the time to say anything, then somebody feels like they should stand up and tell me all about the flaws in my heritage, my lack of education, my generally lower than average IQ, my horrendous odor, and my likeness to all sorts of icky things. After a few hundred times, I just get tired of it. My life is smoother when running silent.

I try to persuade the rest of the staff to do the same, but they feel powerfully compelled to help others understand. It is just part of their good nature.

So, here we are in my forum, and your subject line "My thread locked without a proper reason" makes me think that you are demanding that I need to run my site according to your wishes. That I need to explain my choices to you. Banning you is just far easier.

Once in a while somebody comes along and says "a thread I was participating in was locked. I wish to be a good JavaRanch citizen. If somebody could help me to understand what I may have done wrong, I would very much appreciate that." - well, I can see responding to that. That sounds like good old fashioned decency. I like decency.



W. Joe Smith
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I have to agree with Paul on this one. As a regular user of JavaRanch, I have never seen the moderators do something like lock a thread without a valid reason. I'm not saying they are perfect, but there is usually logic behind the madness. As far as tone, I just have to say this is the internet. Tone doesn't travel well through text. Unless someone is directly saying something mean, I try to take everything with a happy, chipper tone. Makes my life easier to think everyone is nice.

paul wheaton wrote:... my horrendous odor...


I WASN'T going to say anything, but now that you mention it......


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Campbell Ritchie
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W. Joe Smith wrote: . . . not . . . perfect, . . . madness.
Was that me you are thinking of?

But seriously, thank you for the compliments about mods
Janeice DelVecchio
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W. Joe Smith wrote: As far as tone, I just have to say this is the internet. Tone doesn't travel well through text. Unless someone is directly saying something mean, I try to take everything with a happy, chipper tone. Makes my life easier to think everyone is nice.


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Someone said (probably on this very site) to always picture the person on the other end of the conversation smiling while they're typing.... it helps you to paint them in the best possible light.

It helps me sleep better at night thinking that people are happy, rather than thinking they're just being stupidheads and/or mean. I, too, have been taken the wrong way (or more likely have taken others the wrong way)....


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Jeanne Boyarsky
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Janeice DelVecchio wrote:Someone said (probably on this very site) to always picture the person on the other end of the conversation smiling while they're typing.... it helps you to paint them in the best possible light.

It was Bear in the locked thread. Bear is full of helpful advice.


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Namitha karupaiya
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Joined: Mar 10, 2004
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@paul wheaton

Luckily I found a very good forum, www.StackOverflow.com.

They use a powerful reputation system, which is a measurement of the behaviour of the users and moderators.

If you use a reputation system like that, you may simply find out what people like Bear Bibeault really does here!!
paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
Posts: 20271
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I am so glad you found a community that is a fit for you. I've locked your account here so that you don't accidentally post here again.

Andrew Monkhouse
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Namitha karupaiya wrote:Luckily I found a very good forum, www.StackOverflow.com.

You need to find out what a forum is. StackOverflow is an excellent site, but it is not a forum. If you try to open discussions there as though it was a forum, you will find that your discussion will be closed very quickly. (As an example, try to discuss the relative merits of PostgreSQL versus MySQL - they will not allow that there; whereas in these forums we welcome such discussions).

The main area where StackOverflow and CodeRanch differ is in how they approach problems. Here at CodeRanch we try to teach you how to solve the problem, which we feel helps you in solving future problems. StackOverflow is all about giving instant answers, even if there is zero learning involved.

Namitha karupaiya wrote:They use a powerful reputation system, which is a measurement of the behaviour of the users and moderators.


Unfortunately that system can, and is, gamed. See my earlier comment about learning - one of the easiest ways to increase your reputation is to provide an answer that will kind-of get some sort of solution working in the shortest possible time. It doesn't matter if it is not quite correct, or if there is a better way. What the responder needs is to get their answer out as fast as possible so that it can get the early votes, which will naturally push it above any better answers, resulting in a feedback loop of more votes.

Again, this works against the idea of learning or forum discussions - the time taken to provide a good solution, or to discuss why another solution is sub-optimal, is wasted time - it will not gain you any votes, so experts tend to never get positive votes.

Namitha karupaiya wrote:If you use a reputation system like that, you may simply find out what people like Bear Bibeault really does here!!

If we use a vote system like that, the site quality will degrade considerably. We will have far less good answers as people try to game the system.

We look at how individuals post on this site, and we have a lot of internal metrics we use. When we spot someone who we think is doing a fantastic job (and when others also indicate that they think that this person is doing a fantastic job), then we invite them to become a staff member. Bear is one of the most well liked and respected staff members, and he does a huge amount of work for the site.


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