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Pradeep bhatt
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Hello author,

Welcome to javaranch. How do you compare your book with Mastering JavaServer Faces by Bill Dudney, Jonathan Lehr, Bill Willis and Leroy Mattingly.

What motivated you to write the book?

What is the future for JSF?

Thanks a lot


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Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
How do you compare your book with Mastering JavaServer Faces by Bill Dudney, Jonathan Lehr, Bill Willis and Leroy Mattingly.


Hi Pradeep,
I've asked the authors about that question already in this thread. You might want to have a look at that thread and continue the conversation there so that we all got the replies from the authors in the same place of the same topic.

Thanks, Pradeep...


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David Geary
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In this thread, Pradeep Bhat asked what motivated us to write the book and what the future is for JSF.

Both Cay and I proposed Core JSF to our publisher in the space of a week. So we immediately decided to team up on Core JSF. We were both very interested in the technology and I was on the Expert Group, so it was a natural fit.

I think JSF is starting to gather some momentum. I think people have waited until a couple of bug fix releases of the JSF reference implementation have appeared and until open source projects like MyFaces and proprietary IDEs such as Sun's Java Studio Creator and Oracles ADF have matured.

In the past few months I've been innudated with consulting jobs from companies moving to JSF, so that's very encouraging. I'm also starting to see No Fluff Just Stuff attendees that are actually using JSF. So both of those are good signs for JSF.


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Kishore Dandu
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David,

Can u give me one high profile company that is implementing JSF in a full-fledged manner.

I want to push JSF in my setup gradually, but my top management is particular about some concrete success stories before they can put time of the resources...


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Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by David Geary:
proprietary IDEs such as Sun's Java Studio Creator and Oracles ADF have matured.


Can you please explain a bit more on this?
I have seen the extra custom components provided by Sun Studio IDE, but we decided not to select them as we can't use those component in other environment since the components were pretty much tied to the Sun Studio IDE. Same is happening with the Websphere Studio Application Developer 5.1.2 IDE
So isn't this turining out to be a limitation of JSF IDEs?


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I'm not sure what high-profile companies are using JSF. I just started a consulting job developing a JSF application for a mid-range financial services company. I've also been to 3 other non-high-profile companies in the past two months for JSF training.
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Of course, you have to be careful about drinking IDE koolaid. If you use an IDE's proprietary components, then you're pretty much stuck with that IDE.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
David,

Can u give me one high profile company that is implementing JSF in a full-fledged manner.

I want to push JSF in my setup gradually, but my top management is particular about some concrete success stories before they can put time of the resources...


I think Oracle is using JSF. I remember having read a JSF article on the OTN site.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by David Geary:
Of course, you have to be careful about drinking IDE koolaid. If you use an IDE's proprietary components, then you're pretty much stuck with that IDE.


I thought that JSF was a standard. Do IDE's bring in their proprietary components.
Pradeep bhatt
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Which is the best IDE for JSF?
Mcgill Smith
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Which is the best IDE for JSF?

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WSAD
[ December 14, 2004: Message edited by: Mcgill Smith ]

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Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Mcgill Smith:
Which is the best IDE for JSF?

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At present one of these two

WSAD OR JDeveloper



I dont like JDeveloper. WSAD, I guess it is onlu useful for developing applications in Websphere , right?
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Mcgill Smith:
Which is the best IDE for JSF?

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WSAD

[ December 14, 2004: Message edited by: Mcgill Smith ]


I agree, though it will require 1 GB ram to work on it with ease.
Pradeep bhatt
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Eclipse?
Mcgill Smith
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I dont like JDeveloper. WSAD, I guess it is onlu useful for developing applications in Websphere , right
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JDeveloper will have full-fledged support for JSF, complete
with an extensive array of UIX components, which will integrate with standard JSF applications. It will also support using JSF components with its Application Development Framework (ADF) [Oracle, ADF].
 
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