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Sun Java Studio Creator opinions?

Nate Hershey
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So who's tried out Creator and what do you think? We develop JSF apps at work and we've been looking into streamlining the process. Creator seems like a good way to do it, but I'm wondering if anyone out there has been using it for a while and can describe what they see as strengths/weaknesses in the product. Thanks.

-Nate
Gregg Bolinger
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I have used it and I don't like it for several reasons.

  • Slow - Based on Netbeans which is way too much of a resource hog anyway and runs really poor. You better have at least 1 gig of RAM if you are going to use it. I run IDEA on 512 MB Ram and it's lightning fast!
  • Proprietary - Netbeans (as well as most other IDE's) use proprietary API's along with the JSF spec making it almost impossible to switch to a different IDE later on if you choose to do so
  • Questeionable code - This goes along with the proprietary issue but it's difficult to determine what their generated code is doing at times.
  • Did I mention it's slow?


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    Varun Khanna
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    Proprietary - Netbeans (as well as most other IDE's) use proprietary API's along with the JSF spec making it almost impossible to switch to a different IDE later on if you choose to do so

    Same goes with Websphere Studios,
    seems like a trend. or probably a way to retain customers


    - Varun
    Nate Hershey
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    Joined: Jul 23, 2003
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    This is the first drag & drop IDE I've used for Java GUI creation, but I think it has some nice features. It reminds me of Visual Studio, which I used years ago. VS created some questionable code as well, but it provided a quick and easy way to get a basic application out the door. I'm still learning which features I like and which I don't, but overall I think this is a good start. And the price is right- around $50 on Amazon including a 'field guide' and a Sun Dev Network subscription. I hear another release of Creator is planned for the next month or so- maybe it'll be a little cleaner.
    Cay Horstmann
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    I tried Creator, and I think it is pretty good for simple apps. The GUI is straightforward, and it is really easy to get started.

    My gripes were: (1) No support for string management (resource bundles) (2) Using beans other than the per-page backing bean didn't seem intuitive (3) Layout is clumsy--fixed positioning by default, and not much support beyond that.

    But hey, it can only get better. And, as Nate observed, the price is right.

    JBuilder has a slicker IDE overall, but it doesn't really have much in terms of JSF support.

    Has anyone used Exadel's product?

    Cay


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    Varun Khanna
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    One crappy thing in WSAD 5.1.2 IDE is, when you create a JSF page it automatically creates a backing bean and after that whenever you modify your jsf page, it screws up your backing bean literally.

    Is this "feature" present in studio too?
    Ko Ko Naing
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    Joined: Jun 08, 2002
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    Originally posted by Cay Horstmann:
    JBuilder has a slicker IDE overall, but it doesn't really have much in terms of JSF support.


    But, Mr.Cay, JBuilder 2005 got JavaServer Faces editor and visual flow designer built-in to the IDE... You might want to have a look at the Product Home Page.

    I've been using JBuilder X for several months and I'm not sure whether my company will buy JBuilder 2005 in the future or not... But with JBuilder X, we cannot have such JSF support... So I wish I have chance to touch JBuilder 2005 in the future, to try the built-in JSF support...


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    SCJP1.2, CCNA, SCWCD1.4, SCBCD1.3, SCMAD1.0, SCJA1.0, SCJP6.0
     
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