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New beta test CX-311-085: Sun Certified JSP and Servlet Developer for the JEE 6 Platform

Mikalai Zaikin
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New beta test is announced on Oracle Website

Objectives are too vague, and yes.. it's paid beta ($50) as EJB 3.1 beta test

Number of questions is.... 215 (isn't it crazy )

[Devaka: Edited to correct the URL]


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Ankit Garg
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Here is the page. The silly word filter doesn't apply to [url][/url] tags. 215 questions does look stupid...


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Devaka Cooray
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Candidates will receive a beta exam score report approximately 11 weeks after the close of the Beta Exam

Do they provide a certificate or just only the score report?


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Mikalai Zaikin
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Devaka Cooray wrote:
Candidates will receive a beta exam score report approximately 11 weeks after the close of the Beta Exam

Do they provide a certificate or just only the score report?


It's too bad that nobody from Oracle joined JavaRanch to answer our questions. I remeber old good times when Evelyn Cartagena posted here new Sun exams announcements and assisted here when problems occured. With Oracle take over it looks like they are not interested in Java professional volunteers (paid betas, no exam objectives posted).

Yes, Oracle learning department do have now a bunch of facebook (which is just a social network, but not a Java community) accounts and twitter accounts for announcements and some sort of communication, but JavaRanch is a big (if not the biggest) [very friendly] Java community and it would be nice to have some Oracle JavaRancher here (just a dream).

Best regards,
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Rajeev Rnair
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Hello guys,

Usually how long it takes a Beta exam to become an official exam? I checked the exam objectives in the above link and it is almost same as the current exam. But when you look at the Training course details, JDBC, JPA, AJAX etc are added. I am currently preparing for the SCWCD exam and planning to take the exam in July. Should I wait for some time to see how things progress with the J2EE6 exam?

Please advice!

Thanks,


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Vijitha Kumara
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3-5 hrs with 215 questions way too much I guess. Maximum 100 tough questions would be acceptable if they want to make it more harder to pass.


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Rajeev Rnair wrote:Hello guys,

Usually how long it takes a Beta exam to become an official exam? I checked the exam objectives in the above link and it is almost same as the current exam. But when you look at the Training course details, JDBC, JPA, AJAX etc are added. I am currently preparing for the SCWCD exam and planning to take the exam in July. Should I wait for some time to see how things progress with the J2EE6 exam?

Please advice!

Thanks,


I have the same thought as you do. I don't wanna spend on an expired exam. Who knows when the newest version test will come out?
Christophe Verré
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I find the word "Servlette" very cute.


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Kent Chung
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Christophe Verré wrote:I find the word "Servlette" very cute.


Hi Christophe, what's your opinion about the topic? if we should wait for the new exam?
Mikalai Zaikin
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Christophe Verré wrote:I find the word "Servlette" very cute.


On the SCBCD 6 beta page they use another cute word:

Create a Client that Sends a Message to a JMS Queu
Christophe Verré
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I hope there won't be as many typos in their exams !! Now that would not cute at all.
divya kundapur
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I need to check if they have it india


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Gwapo Tisoy
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Does anyone knows when are they going to release the SCWCD 6? I have plan to take SCWCD 5. Any words of advise if I will need to wait for the SCWCD 6 before starting my review.

By the way, I just bought my Head First Servlets and JSP and I am planning to buy the Charles Lyons and because of the Oracle updates, I won't buy Charles version for now. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance....


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Kent Chung
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Gwapo Tisoy wrote:Does anyone knows when are they going to release the SCWCD 6? I have plan to take SCWCD 5. Any words of advise if I will need to wait for the SCWCD 6 before starting my review.

By the way, I just bought my Head First Servlets and JSP and I am planning to buy the Charles Lyons and because of the Oracle updates, I won't buy Charles version for now. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance....


I had the same thought as you do, but I took SCWCD5 the day before yesterday and passed it. Don't miss it, if you have prepared for a long time.
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Vijitha Kumara wrote:3-5 hrs with 215 questions way too much I guess. Maximum 100 tough questions would be acceptable if they want to make it more harder to pass.


Maybe I'm just old-fashioned about the certification betas. I don't mind the format - the old ones (before Oracle bought Sun) were generally about 180 questions and 4 hours. 215 questions in 3-5 hours is fine - MS does their betas at regular-exam length, with 180 minutes for the exam and another 45 for comments.

I just, as I stated in the thread I started regarding the new EJB exam, am opposed to paid betas. Yes, it's a great deal if you're already going to be going for the cert... but it's the whole concept of a quid-pro-quo - we're doing them a favor of testing the test, in exchange for a free test. I want to know what else I get for my money.

And, as was also mentioned here.... it's a shame that Oracle doesn't seem to "get it" that there's a very interested community here that's willing to help them with these things and with Java evangelism in general (and about certification in specific) if they'd reach out to us. I can tell you that they don't respond when you try to get their attention on Twitter, which is infuriating. Just makes me less willing to 'update' my certifications.


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Will Myers
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Doesn't seem to be available on the Prometric web site....
Will Myers
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now it is, booked for 5th August. Now what's changed between 5 and 6?
Christophe Verré
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will myers wrote:now it is, booked for 5th August. Now what's changed between 5 and 6?

Nobody knows I wouldn't book it unless I knew at least how different it is from SCWCD 5.
Mikalai Zaikin
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The exam is named on Prometric web-site: 311-085 - Sun Education Beta

Just curious, is this what will be printed on the certificate ?
Mark O' Sullivan
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The specs look exactly the same as for the old SCWCD exam. Wonder why they bothered bringing it out? Can't envisage any major changes there, could be wrong though. But Cork people are rarely wrong!
Charles Lyons
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My guess is that if there are any changes, they'll be to test on Servlet 3.0, which basically means knowing:

  • Annotations rather than deployment descriptor elements
  • Asynchronous request/response lifecycle
  • Programatically adding servlets/filters/listeners (actually useful?!)
  • The extra convenience methods and annotations in the API (e.g. for file uploading)
  • The new login/logout methods on HttpServletRequest (minor but useful API change)

  • I'd be surprised if anything else made it into a new exam... the bulk of that lot is the first 2 points. If you know generics and annotations from Java SE, then the migration to the new specifications is an easy one... just a case of learning a bunch of annotations rather than web.xml deployment descriptor elements!!

    If that's all it is, us authors are happy... means at most we rewrite a chapter and make a few tweaks here and there

    Gwapo Tisoy wrote:I am planning to buy the Charles Lyons and because of the Oracle updates, I won't buy Charles version for now. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

    Ah, don't let it stop you


    Charles Lyons (SCJP 1.4, April 2003; SCJP 5, Dec 2006; SCWCD 1.4b, April 2004)
    Author of OCEJWCD Study Companion for Oracle Exam 1Z0-899 (ISBN 0955160340 / Amazon Amazon UK )
    Mikalai Zaikin
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    Charles Lyons wrote:
    The new login/logout methods on HttpServletRequest (minor but useful API change)


    [offtopic] JFYI: programmatic logout does not work in NetBeans 6.8 without GlassFish updates. After GlassFish latest updates installed it started working. 8-) [/offtopic]
    Javier Camacho
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    Devaka Cooray wrote:
    Candidates will receive a beta exam score report approximately 11 weeks after the close of the Beta Exam

    Do they provide a certificate or just only the score report?


    I navigate trough Oracle site and I found this:

    Applications

    * Oracle Certification Beta Exam numbers begin with "1Z1"; Oracle Certification Production Exam numbers begin with "1Z0". Both versions of the exam have the same suffix. For example, a beta version of an exam may be 1Z1-512. The production version of this exam will be 1Z0-512.

    Registering for a Beta Exam

    * Beta exam registration is available through Pearson VUE's Online registration system or by telephone. Visit www.pearsonvue.com/oracle to register.
    * Beta exams are available worldwide. Exams are delivered at Pearson VUE Authorized Test Centers. They are not available at Oracle Testing Centers (OTC).
    * The Beta Exam is only available for testing appointments during the Beta Exam Period. Beta end dates are tentative and subject to change. Please check this page often for updated beta end dates.

    Taking a Beta Exam

    * As a part of the Beta exam, each beta candidate must complete a brief demographic survey. The survey results are kept entirely confidential. Candidates’ responses are compiled and used to calibrate the exam.
    * Beta exams contain more questions than the final version of the certification tests.Beta exams contain 175-200 questions compared with approximately 50-100 questions on a production exam.
    * Beta exams usually allow 3-3.5 hours for completion. With the higher number of questions, you may not have as much time to spend on each question of a beta exam as you will during the final exam. You also may not have as much time at the end of the exam to review your answers.
    * Feedback is integral to the beta testing process. We encourage candidates to include comments on specific exam questions. There is a feature in the test that will allow you to do this. You can add your comments as you are working through the exam, or you can mark specific questions and return to add your comments once you are finished answering the exam questions.
    * Beta Exams may only be taken once.

    Scoring a Beta Exam

    * You will only be scored on the questions that are chosen for the final exam.
    * Since you are graded only on the questions selected for the production version of the certification exam, it may take up to 10 weeks after the close of the beta period to receive your exam results from Pearson VUE.
    * Passing a beta exam is the same as passing a production exam. For example, if you were to pass all the beta versions of the exams required within an Oracle Certification path, you will earn your Oracle Certified Associate and/or Oracle Certified Professional credential.


    After all you get the certification...well if your score is well in the questions that they selected.

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    Pradeep bhatt
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    Who will pay for beta exam


    Groovy
    Johnny Qin
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    Pradeep bhatt wrote:Who will pay for beta exam


    exactly


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    Ziyang Zhang
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    When will Oracle issue the formal version for SCWCD on JEE6? I am preparing for scwcd 310-083. I don't want to work on the old exam and work in vain...


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    Johnny Qin
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    Ziyang Zhang wrote:When will Oracle issue the formal version for SCWCD on JEE6? I am preparing for scwcd 310-083. I don't want to work on the old exam and work in vain...


    so the beta exam is good for you.

    Firstly, it's cheaper.

    Secondly, it's EE6.
    Nikhil Shah Jain
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    Whats the duration or the time limit??!!
    Ziyang Zhang
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    Nikhil Shah Jain wrote:Whats the duration or the time limit??!!

    I am sorry I didn't take it.
    Nikhil Shah Jain
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    Ziyang Zhang wrote:
    Nikhil Shah Jain wrote:Whats the duration or the time limit??!!

    I am sorry I didn't take it.


    Brains!!!
    Renato Losio
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    Hello

    I have a SCWCD 1.4 certification. I registered few days ago for the new beta test CX-311-085 (exam on Sep 30).

    I still have (and can still review) old Manning SCWCD Exam Study Kit book (2nd edition) but of course I need to focus on the differences between 1.4 and EE6 certifications. I see few comments here, a couple of extra questions:

    - assuming no book cover yet the beta one, is it worth to buy a SCWCD 1.5 book and if so which one? Reading feedbacks on Amazon had the feeling that many were simply again 1.4 with a new title/sticker.

    - what should I mainly focus for EE6?

    - am I losing my time and 33£? I still anyway feel good to revise

    Best

    Renato


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    Ziyang Zhang
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    Renato Losio wrote:
    Hello

    I have a SCWCD 1.4 certification. I registered few days ago for the new beta test CX-311-085 (exam on Sep 30).

    I still have (and can still review) old Manning SCWCD Exam Study Kit book (2nd edition) but of course I need to focus on the differences between 1.4 and EE6 certifications. I see few comments here, a couple of extra questions:

    - assuming no book cover yet the beta one, is it worth to buy a SCWCD 1.5 book and if so which one? Reading feedbacks on Amazon had the feeling that many were simply again 1.4 with a new title/sticker.

    - what should I mainly focus for EE6?

    - am I losing my time and 33£? I still anyway feel good to revise

    Best

    Renato


    I am using this one:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0955160332/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0955160316&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=17E2HBV42PK0VZXYW1P5
    I think it's good for scwcd 1.5, not sure about the new exam.
    Renato Losio
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    Thanks for the feedback. I was really tempted to buy the book but on Amazon I read this review of the book "But after receiving the book. It's the same as the old book with a sticker with the updated exams on the front page." So question is ... really a EE5 book or again an old book and better if I use the one I have already?

    Thanks!

    Liviu Carausu
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    Charles Lyons wrote:My guess is that if there are any changes, they'll be to test on Servlet 3.0, which basically means knowing:

  • Annotations rather than deployment descriptor elements
  • Asynchronous request/response lifecycle
  • Programatically adding servlets/filters/listeners (actually useful?!)
  • The extra convenience methods and annotations in the API (e.g. for file uploading)
  • The new login/logout methods on HttpServletRequest (minor but useful API change)

  • I'd be surprised if anything else made it into a new exam...


    Hi Charles,

    what about the new pluggability model using web fragments, eventually ordering them ?

    By the way, I read your book, very well written , thank you !

    Greetings,

    Liviu


    Oracle Certified Master Java SE6 Developer(SCJD),
    OCE JEE 6 JSP and Servlets Developer.
    Liviu Carausu
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    Hi,

    Does somebody know what is the structure of a web fragment ? I tried to include some classes beside META-INF/web-fragment.xml
    but the GlassFish version bundled with Netbeans 6.9 cannot load the classes from the web fragment.
    Many thanks,
    Liviu
    Piotr Nowicki
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    Guys, does anyone have an confirmed information about releasing new JEE6 certificates?

    Looking at Oracle Beta Certificates page, it seems that the beta exams are nearly finished and within 10 weeks from tommorow, the final certificate will be published.

    I was thinking about taking SCWCD, but taking those information under consideration, it seems more reasonable to wait just a bit.

    Just thought that someone would have some confirmed info about that.

    Thanks in advance!


    OCP Java SE 6 Programmer, OCM Java SE 6 Developer, OCE Java EE 6 JSPSD, OCE Java EE 6 EJBD, OCE Java EE 6 JPAD, Spring 3.0 Core Professional.
    Liviu Carausu
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    Hi.
    I took yesterday the beta exam. I looked today in the my sun/oracle account (www.certmanager.net/sun)
    and the test is not mentioned there as being taken. Is it normal ? It takes more days to actualize the state or what ?


    Thank,
    Liviu



    Mikalai Zaikin
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    Liviu Carausu wrote:Hi.
    I took yesterday the beta exam. I looked today in the my sun/oracle account (www.certmanager.net/sun)
    and the test is not mentioned there as being taken. Is it normal ? It takes more days to actualize the state or what ?


    Hello,

    Beta test results are normally announced after a couple of months (10 weeks as mentioned above). Be patient and check the certmanager.net site after 10 weeks. 8-)

    Best regards,
    MZ
    Liviu Carausu
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    Hello,

    Beta test results are normally announced after a couple of months (10 weeks as mentioned above). Be patient and check the certmanager.net site after 10 weeks. 8-)

    Best regards,
    MZ



    Hi,
    I know that it takes about 10 weeks to receive the result but I thought that the certmanager will show the date when the exam was taken.
    Have you also took the beta exam and your certmanager is not updated ?
    Thanks,
    Liviu
    Mikalai Zaikin
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    Well, I can suggest you to look at the Prometric web site (2test.com).

    It shows both registration date and the date you took the test.

    HTH,
    MZ
     
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