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Turning java as a hobby into a career

daniel cassidy
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Hello everyone, I'm very very new to java and was wondering if it possible to turn java as a hobbie into a career?
Joachim Rohde
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Yes, of course it's possible. Why not?
daniel cassidy
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I have been looking for a junior java developer role and all companies want some kind of experience, be it commercial or a computer science degree. I have a degree in Business and IT and was wondering through self study do you think its possible I can get to the desired level an emplyer is looking for, or would i need to take official classes and gain more qualifications etc?
Dennis Grimbergen
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Hi Daniel,

I studied chemistry (in the Netherlands) and had a job for a few years. In my free time I was learning Java. After a few years I had a reasonable amount of knowledge. I noticed that programming was much more fun than my work as a chemist. So I started to apply for beginning java developers. Some companies rejected me, just because I didn't have a degree in IT.
At some point I realized it would be hard to get a job. So the next time I applied for a job I did bring some screenshots from applets I made. A picture can say more than 1000 words. They started to hesitate. What should they do with me? No diploma in IT, but the screenshots looked promising (I guess). So they gave me a chance to prove myself. And now, 3 years later, I'm working as a J2EE developer at a rather large company :-)

The only disadvantage I had was my salary. Compared to my salary in chemistry, it dropped almost by 900 euro (= about $1300). But now, it is already higher than before ;-)

The most important thing is that you are motivated and show your future boss that you are enthousiastic. Nothing is impossible, as long as you really want it. It just takes (some) time.

Good luck!


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Amu mathi
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Do you really find Java programming more interesting than chemistry............my god.......

daniel cassidy
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Do you really find Java programming more interesting than chemistry............my god.......


Why is this unbelievable? I have just finished a degree in business and IT and I find java programming far more interesting than everything I studied, I can't wait to be a pro programmer, I love it!

Thanks also for your comments Mr Dennis Grimbergen you have seriously inspired me
Freddy Wong
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Do you really find Java programming more interesting than chemistry............my god.......

Everyone has different preferences.


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Henry Wong
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Freddy Wong wrote:

Do you really find Java programming more interesting than chemistry............my god.......

Everyone has different preferences.



This is true in any industry. People who entered the wrong industry. Or people who figured out late that they don't really like what they are doing, or like something else better.

Programming is flooded with this. Due to the dot com boom, we have tons of people who became programmers, mainly for the perceived monetary gain. And are now in jobs that they hate.

Kudos to anyone who figures it out, and then is brave enough to make the change.

Henry

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Amu mathi
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Not so fast Henry,
I don't think so, at-least not me!!!, I do love programming and did choose computer science with love,

I will not have commented if somebody says they choose programming in C or assembly, hacking Linux at least java-script and was lured by the love of such a hobby into the world of computers, in early 70's and 80's i suppose thats how most famous legends like peter norton, Mark Ludwig and other become programmers.....

I really cant feel a person can really love programming in java, as Java is definitely not an hacker language it is business language like cobol.... Frankly tell me what inspiration you achieve by troubleshooting a issue of Java connecting to mainframe, or generating a report in CSV format???: ,

of-course its for money, but I don't seriously think that you would be happy to be enterprise programmer in Java, I never heard anybody lured into computer science cause they found a passion of for Cobol.

Very few hackers are there in Java, frankly i feel programming in Java killed the passion of hacker in me!!!,

as far as I am concerned being a chemist is better than being a enterprise java developer

daniel cassidy
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I really cant feel a person can really love programming in java, as Java is definitely not an hacker language it is business language like cobol.... Frankly tell me what inspiration you achieve by troubleshooting a issue of Java connecting to mainframe, or generating a report in CSV format???: ,

of-course its for money, but I don't seriously think that you would be happy to be enterprise programmer in Java, I never heard anybody lured into computer science cause they found a passion of for Cobol.

Very few hackers are there in Java, frankly i feel programming in Java killed the passion of hacker in me!!!,

as far as I am concerned being a chemist is better than being a enterprise java developer


I dont understand your point, If he is happy being a Java developer, just as i would be, then who are you to say he made the wrong decision? thats like saying its wrong that he can be happy? If i had the choice of being a chemist or Java developer i would certainly choose Java developer, however that isnt the point, the point is you should'nt dictate to people what can and cannot make them happy.
Henry Wong
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Amu mathi wrote:Not so fast Henry,
I don't think so, at-least not me!!!, I do love programming and did choose computer science with love,


I didn't say that you were one of those who got into the wrong industry. But I guess from my response, it can be implied that way. This was not my intention.

Henry
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Amu mathi wrote:
I really cant feel a person can really love programming in java, as Java is definitely not an hacker language it is business language like cobol.... Frankly tell me what inspiration you achieve by troubleshooting a issue of Java connecting to mainframe, or generating a report in CSV format???: ,


I too, came from the low level language era. My first job used 6502 assembly (and pascal). And my second job used 8088 assembly... and quite frankly, I don't see your point.

True. Back then, it depended less on frameworks, you were closer to the metal, and you did a lot of the stuff yourself. But applications were much smaller back then, it did less, and generally, the team size was no more than two or three. Today, application teams are large, the application has much more moving pieces, and does a lot more. You need the frameworks, and the higher level languages, to try to protect the team from programmer mistakes.

My main thrill back then was a job well done. A problem solved. Today, its still the same, except the problems are bigger, and the teams are larger. Do you really want to work on assembly with a large team? Editing other people assembly code is not easy.

Henry
John de Michele
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Amu:

Actually, I love programming in Java. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it.

John.
Joe Cavanagh
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Amu mathi wrote:Not so fast Henry,

I really cant feel a person can really love programming in java, as Java is definitely not an hacker language it is business language like cobol.... Frankly tell me what inspiration you achieve by troubleshooting a issue of Java connecting to mainframe, or generating a report in CSV format???: ,




Why is it hard to understand that people can enjoy programming in java? I don't understand why it not being a 'hacker language' makes it not lovable...Maybe to you, but some people actually enjoy creating products that are used every day by people. Also, your examples of connecting to a mainframe or generating a csv report are weird. You do realize you can do more than that in java, right?
Campbell Ritchie
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Welcome to the Ranch, Joe Cavanagh
Hebert Coelho
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Yes you can.

Before Java I was working with Pascal and started with Java just for curiosity.

Go ahead, you can make it!


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