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Oracle to change Sun Certification names

Mahmoud Hossam
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Oracle has changed the naming for all sun certifications,to fit existing oracle certification names,effective September 1st

Note that this is just a name change,nothing will change regarding the certifications themselves

Naming of the certifications before and after the change


for example SCJP 6 will be called "Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 6 Programmer" from now on
Shanky Sohar
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Thats Greats.So now we are oracle certified


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Tareq Ateik
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wow, they are working so hard to remove sun name. RIP sun, you will be forgotten soon


10 years later....
who created java?
ORACLE!


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Arjun Srivastava
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Tariq Atiek wrote:wow, they are working so hard to remove sun name. RIP sun, you will be forgotten soon

10 years later....
who created java?
ORACLE!

THAT'S PITY.

I WANT SUN NOT ORACLE.


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Ji-Hoon Jung
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May be Oracle will update all questions as well. Have a look:

Effective September 1, 2010, all Java, Oracle Solaris, MySQL, Open Office and Oracle Solaris Cluster certifications have been re-published and rebranded under the Oracle Certification Program. This change will not impact any of the exam objectives and with Oracle’s firm commitment to the growth of the program, these credentials will continue to be some of the highest recognized achievements in the industry.

I have taken one of the Sun training courses to help me prepare for the Sun Certification. Will the Sun courses prepare me for the Oracle exams?
Yes, if you have taken any of the recommended training courses for the Sun certification, these courses will prepare you for the republished Oracle exams. The exam formats and objectives will remain the same as they were under Sun. Oracle will continue to launch new exams to align with the latest technology and product releases. To help you prepare for new releases, you should plan to take the training courses associated with the release of the exam you are taking.

So they will not change exam objectives and format. The statement doesn't say they would not change the exam questions.

For those who have gained Sun certificates before:

I currently hold a Sun Certification. How can I request a new certificate with an Oracle title?
If you currently hold a Sun certification, we can only provide you with a certificate with the Sun Certification title.

The Oracle News is here if you want to see what they said
Zaafirah Brown
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Mahmoud Hossam wrote:Oracle has changed the naming for all sun certifications,to fit existing oracle certification names,effective September 1st

Note that this is just a name change,nothing will change regarding the certifications themselves

Naming of the certifications before and after the change


for example SCJP 6 will be called "Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 6 Programmer" from now on


May be Oracle will update all questions as well. Have a look:

Effective September 1, 2010, all Java, Oracle Solaris, MySQL, Open Office and Oracle Solaris Cluster certifications have been re-published and rebranded under the Oracle Certification Program. This change will not impact any of the exam objectives and with Oracle’s firm commitment to the growth of the program, these credentials will continue to be some of the highest recognized achievements in the industry.

I have taken one of the Sun training courses to help me prepare for the Sun Certification. Will the Sun courses prepare me for the Oracle exams?
Yes, if you have taken any of the recommended training courses for the Sun certification, these courses will prepare you for the republished Oracle exams. The exam formats and objectives will remain the same as they were under Sun. Oracle will continue to launch new exams to align with the latest technology and product releases. To help you prepare for new releases, you should plan to take the training courses associated with the release of the exam you are taking.

So they will not change exam objectives and format. The statement doesn't say they would not change the exam questions.

For those who have gained Sun certificates before:

I currently hold a Sun Certification. How can I request a new certificate with an Oracle title?
If you currently hold a Sun certification, we can only provide you with a certificate with the Sun Certification title.

The Oracle News is here
Tareq Ateik
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changing the quesitons isnt that easy, it needs alot of work, alot of testing, and time (they spent 8 months to change the title). i dont think they will change it, at least not for the SCJP6, maybe for future exams.
Zaafirah Brown
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Tariq Atiek wrote:changing the quesitons isnt that easy, it needs alot of work, alot of testing, and time (they spent 8 months to change the title). i dont think they will change it, at least not for the SCJP6, maybe for future exams.


Actually I am ready for the exam. I can take SCJP before Sept 1 to get the old title or take it after Sept 1 to get the new Oracle title. I am worry that questions may be so different from what I have studied if I take the new Oracle named one. Any idea what should I do?
Tareq Ateik
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well, i dont think they will change the questions. they changed the title simply to replace the "Sun" title with the "Oracle".


but i realized something, they changed the number of the exam to 1Z0-851, does that mean different fees? or different questions?

but still, noone will know till someone takes the exam after sep, or someone asks Oracle Education peoples.


for me i will take it after Sep, because it costs here in emirates 300$ unlike Jordan it costs 125$ .as am traveling back to Jordan
Arjun Srivastava
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Tariq Atiek wrote:well, i dont think they will change the questions. they changed the title simply to replace the "Sun" title with the "Oracle".

but i realized something, they changed the number of the exam to 1Z0-851, does that mean different fees? or different questions?

but still, noone will know till someone takes the exam after september, or someone asks Oracle Education peoples.


yes off course,if they changes name title to oracle exam ,it will be more costly from earlier.
well that's sad.
if they are providing different questions,then it also means different objectives according to the new exam.
everything will be ruined .if it happens so
Zaafirah Brown
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Tariq Atiek wrote:well, i dont think they will change the questions. they changed the title simply to replace the "Sun" title with the "Oracle".


but i realized something, they changed the number of the exam to 1Z0-851, does that mean different fees? or different questions?

but still, noone will know till someone takes the exam after sep, or someone asks Oracle Education peoples.


for me i will take it after Sep, because it costs here in emirates 300$ unlike Jordan it costs 125$ .as am traveling back to Jordan


If you want to make sure what it will be, you may need to wait for at least a month later after Sept 1 to see what people say.
Zaafirah Brown
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arjun srivastava wrote:
Tariq Atiek wrote:well, i dont think they will change the questions. they changed the title simply to replace the "Sun" title with the "Oracle".

but i realized something, they changed the number of the exam to 1Z0-851, does that mean different fees? or different questions?

but still, noone will know till someone takes the exam after september, or someone asks Oracle Education peoples.


yes off course,if they changes name title to oracle exam ,it will be more costly from earlier.
well that's sad.
if they are providing different questions,then it also means different objectives according to the new exam.
everything will be ruined .if it happens so


They can have updated new questions using the same objectives and formats, so logically there is no way to tell if they will have new questions or not. Logically I think it is very hard for them to come up with new tested questions after bought Sun for just 8 months. May be the manager who manages Oracle exams really wanted to change a lot of questions and worked hard in last few months to update the Sun exams, hard to say what will happen.
Prithvi Sehgal
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Hello,

I have received the email from Oracle, only the name of certification is changed rest all will remain the same.
I will suggest there is no need to panic, see the good in everything.

Happy Preparation,


Prithvi,
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Tareq Ateik
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thanks Prithvi, can you post the message here?
Zaafirah Brown
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Prithvi Sehgal wrote:Hello,

I have received the email from Oracle, only the name of certification is changed rest all will remain the same.
I will suggest there is no need to panic, see the good in everything.

Happy Preparation,


I receive that email too, but the point is they don't really say "only the name of certification is changed rest all will remain the same." They said only don't change the objective and format. So that make me worry if questions will be full of surprise in new name test.

Thanks for your message anyway.
Prithvi Sehgal
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Dear Zaafirah,

I am concluding this result because these questions and format is time tested over years. It is not easy to come up with
another set of questions so easily. Additionally if you prepare well from mock exams and all, may be they can change the
questions even if they do so, which i highly doubt, then we should be able to answer them without difficulties. In the end,it
will be only Java not C Sharp questions.

Additionally the official exam creators Bert Bates is here. He didn't mention a single thing. If something is going to be changed,
rest assured these people will inform here also. Rest i will leave it to Bert to provide us more information on this subject.

Best Regards,
Vinoth Kumar Kannan
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I too want SUN not ORACLE!!
I was just planning to do my SCJP after september..


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Prithvi Sehgal
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Hello,

The exam format and objectives for each of the exams will be the same as they were previously under Sun so there is no impact to those preparing to get certified.
If you are currently holding a certification exam voucher for one of these exams, they will be valid through their expiration date and can be redeemed at Prometric.
If you currently hold an existing Sun certification, your current Sun certification title will still be recognized under the Oracle certification program and will continue to be valid. You can upgrade your certification at any time to the latest technology release to receive an Oracle certification title.
If you are in the process of preparing for a certification exam that you will take after September 1, 2010, you will receive an Oracle certification title and will have use of Oracle Certification Program Logo for endorsement of your proven skill by Oracle Corporation.
Candidates taking exams between September 1-3 may see either Sun and/or Oracle-branded exam titles while registering and taking exams during this transition period.


Check the first line, i am directly quoting it from Sun email that there will be no impact on people who are preparing to get certified. So thats where it all sums up.
They are not silly to disturb the most popular exams formats. If they do so, it will highly effect the brand and Oracle won't make such a mistake.

Cheer up Guys,
Prithvi Sehgal
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Vinoth Kumar Kannan wrote:I too want SUN not ORACLE!!
I was just planning to do my SCJP after september..


Vinoth,

Keep preparing, don't get discouraged. Nothing will be changed except the name and that is my gut feeling and don't worry
Bert is here to update us on this issue.

Best Regards,
Zaafirah Brown
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Prithvi Sehgal wrote:Dear Zaafirah,

I am concluding this result because these questions and format is time tested over years. It is not easy to come up with
another set of questions so easily. Additionally if you prepare well from mock exams and all, may be they can change the
questions even if they do so, which i highly doubt, then we should be able to answer them without difficulties. In the end,it
will be only Java not C Sharp questions.

Additionally the official exam creators Bert Bates is here. He didn't mention a single thing. If something is going to be changed,
rest assured these people will inform here also. Rest i will leave it to Bert to provide us more information on this subject.

Best Regards,


Thanks a lot! I prefer to get Oracle title if there wouldn't be any surprise. The trend would be SCJP title becomes history later and Oracle title is the future, then I prefer to get what will be useful in future.
Prithvi Sehgal
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Thats the spirit Zaafirah. Sun will always be in our hearts for giving us something like Java. It is one way
a good thing that we will get the latest name of Certification. Sun in people heart's will never become obsolete.

Best Regards,
Zaafirah Brown
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Prithvi Sehgal wrote:Hello,

The exam format and objectives for each of the exams will be the same as they were previously under Sun so there is no impact to those preparing to get certified.
If you are currently holding a certification exam voucher for one of these exams, they will be valid through their expiration date and can be redeemed at Prometric.
If you currently hold an existing Sun certification, your current Sun certification title will still be recognized under the Oracle certification program and will continue to be valid. You can upgrade your certification at any time to the latest technology release to receive an Oracle certification title.
If you are in the process of preparing for a certification exam that you will take after September 1, 2010, you will receive an Oracle certification title and will have use of Oracle Certification Program Logo for endorsement of your proven skill by Oracle Corporation.
Candidates taking exams between September 1-3 may see either Sun and/or Oracle-branded exam titles while registering and taking exams during this transition period.


Check the first line, i am directly quoting it from Sun email that there will be no impact on people who are preparing to get certified. So thats where it all sums up.
They are not silly to disturb the most popular exams formats. If they do so, it will highly effect the brand and Oracle won't make such a mistake.

Cheer up Guys,


there will be no impact on people who are preparing to get certified. That depend on how the person prepare for the exam. If a person knows inside out every possible thing of Java, of course there is no problem even new set of questions come out.

It is possible that Oracle put 50% new questions with same formats and objects as old test, and logically "there will be no impact on people who are preparing to get certified".

I don't want that happens, I just think that is possible.
Prithvi Sehgal
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Nothing will happen thats what my gut feelings says. Just calmly prepare for the exam and not to forget Bert is here to
clear this confusion in people heads. We will ask him directly. He must be knowing the details for sure.

Best Regards,
Zaafirah Brown
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Prithvi Sehgal wrote:Nothing will happen thats what my gut feelings says. Just calmly prepare for the exam and not to forget Bert is here to
clear this confusion in people heads. We will ask him directly. He must be knowing the details for sure.

Best Regards,


I assume Bert thinks this issue is minor since only name changing so he doesn't say anything
Prithvi Sehgal
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So you can get the better idea that except the name nothing will be changed brother.
Prepare and crack oracle or sun whatever.

Happy Preparation,
Vinoth Kumar Kannan
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Prithvi Sehgal wrote:Thats the spirit Zaafirah. Sun will always be in our hearts for giving us something like Java. It is one way
a good thing that we will get the latest name of Certification. Sun in people heart's will never become obsolete.

Best Regards,

Privthvi, that was really consoling. Yeah, No one of us will ever forget SUN!
Prithvi Sehgal
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Note however that the exam number codes (i.e. CX-NNN) and the actual exam test questions and scoring will remain the same both before and after the transition.


Directly quoting from Oracle Blog itself. That the actual exam test questions and scoring will remain the same before and after the transition.
Please have a look at this

Thanks Vinoth. Always happy to console.

Best Regards,
Zaafirah Brown
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Prithvi Sehgal wrote:

Note however that the exam number codes (i.e. CX-NNN) and the actual exam test questions and scoring will remain the same both before and after the transition.


Directly quoting from Oracle Blog itself. That the actual exam test questions and scoring will remain the same before and after the transition.
Please have a look at this

Thanks Vinoth. Always happy to console.

Best Regards,


Here is the complete paragraph:

Candidates taking exams between September 1-3 may see either Sun and/or Oracle-branded exam titles while registering and taking exams during this transition period. Note however that the exam number codes (i.e. CX-NNN) and the actual exam test questions and scoring will remain the same both before and after the transition.

Sound like it is talking about the candidates taking exams between Sept 1-3 will see exam number codes (i.e. CX-NNN) and the actual exam test questions and scoring will remain the same both before and after the transition.
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Thanks Vinoth. Always happy to console.




Sorry. I just came from MD and couldn't help posting this.


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James Elsey
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Personally I don't think it really matters about branding of the exam, if anything I think its slightly better being branded as Oracle.

With Sun swallowed up in the big grasp of the O', it makes more sense to be Oracle Certified. Also it feels more "up to date" and you can show to employers your "Oracle certified, up to date, NOW, the future!" rather than "Sun certified, slightly older, not the latest"


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Avishkar Nikale
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So are all moderators & Javaranch IT staff ready for changing the forum names?


Regards,
Avishkar Nikale
Prithvi Sehgal
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Well,

I guess if someone asks my opinion i won't change the forum name. This forum is not Oracle's property. We are
all SUN lovers and we prefer it as SCJP only. Additionally if moderators plan to change it, i would strongly suggest
starting a poll and get the users opinions before changing the name.

Hope this helps,
Avishkar Nikale
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I propose only changing "SCJP" --> "O/SCJP"
Jan Osykowski
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Hey guys,

As for me, the name of the certification doesn't really matter. The thing that interests me is if the employers will be familiar with a new name. Especially the HR people who are not so up to date with the IT area. Maybe it will be good to write in a CV a new title and after in the brackets corresponding former title? What do you think?

Cheers,
Jan.
Tareq Ateik
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Jan Osykowski wrote:Hey guys,

As for me, the name of the certification doesn't really matter. The thing that interests me is if the employers will be familiar with a new name. Especially the HR people who are not so up to date with the IT area. Maybe it will be good to write in a CV a new title and after in the brackets corresponding former title? What do you think?

Cheers,
Jan.


+1

totally agree, the name doesnt matter at all, SCJP/OCP says that you know enough about basics in Java.

but you know guys, i hate what Oracle is trying to do so far:
1) trying to remove the sun title from all products, and acts like they created java, (i thought sun will be subsidiary part of Oracle)
2) trying to destroy open solaris, (i think they succeeded, as no more support from Oracle, and the new techniques wont be ported from the Solaris)
3) suing Google for using Java in the Android OS (no support for the open source projects)

i dunno what will happen next, we'll just wait...
Shashank Sharma
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hey I passed my scjp on 16th aug 2010
then what certificate will I get.
Tareq Ateik
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Shashank Sharma wrote:hey I passed my scjp on 16th aug 2010
then what certificate will I get.


you will get the Sun certificate, no Oracle logo on it
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Zaafirah Brown wrote:I receive that email too, but the point is they don't really say "only the name of certification is changed rest all will remain the same." They said only don't change the objective and format. So that make me worry if questions will be full of surprise in new name test.

Who cares if the questions are different? You either know Java, or you don't.
Gian Franco
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I can imagine that if they change questions they might put a bit more
emphasis on JDBC or java.sql related questions for example: with an
eye on their database product.

On the other hand when Sun wasn't yet in the shadow of Oracle it
also changed the objectives when they deemed necessary. If I
remember well bit shifting was one of the points that used to be hot
during preparation but it isn't anymore.

Under Sun the prices of the exam went up as well, so it is business
as usual.


"Eppur si muove!"
Mehdi Ben Larbi
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Zaafirah Brown wrote:

They can have updated new questions using the same objectives and formats, so logically there is no way to tell if they will have new questions or not. Logically I think it is very hard for them to come up with new tested questions after bought Sun for just 8 months. May be the manager who manages Oracle exams really wanted to change a lot of questions and worked hard in last few months to update the Sun exams, hard to say what will happen.


I don't think they can change the questions so quickly.They will make new questions for the SCJP 7 probably.
I am scheduled to take my test in the 30 th of august.
Do you think should i postpone it for the start of September to be oracle Certified ?

An another question guys,is there a Sun Certified JSP and Servlet Developer for the Java EE6 Platform or a Sun Certified JPA Developer for the Java EE6 Platform ?
Am i confused,i was planning to take the old SCWCD 5 exam,should i wait for the JEE 6 update ?

Thanks a lot.


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