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Elchin Asgarli
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SCJD scoring criteria includes : Language Fluency - 70

What does this supposed to mean? That there should be no compile errors or what? Or do I have to use for example Enums just to show that I can use them?

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Roel De Nijs
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I believe your instructions mention other scoring criteria, and "Language Fluency" is not mentioned at all.


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Roberto Perillo
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Howdy, Elchin!

Well, indeed, there is this "Language Fluency" item in the SCJD page. But it certainly doesn't mean that there shouldn't be compile errors (if there are any, you would fail for sure!). I think it can mean two things: names of classes, methods and attributes and how you use them in your program, or english fluency in, for instance, JavaDoc comments (I doubt, but maybe that's it).


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Elchin Asgarli
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I haven't heard of compile errors in Java for a pretty long time now except classpath-related stuff.

Fluency in ENGLISH? I do have a GRE on my line-up, and I did graduate from an American university, but I have to say I am still not comfortable with this since English is not my native. It is the last thing I would like to have my points subtracted in a JAVA certificate!

And what about class names? Do you mean naming conventions or proper usage of English in class names?
Roel De Nijs
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The marking section from my instructions.html doesn't mention "Language Fluency" at all

Marking Criteria
Your work will be evaluated based on the following criteria. The minimum passing score is 320 out of a possible 400 points.

General Considerations (100 points)
Documentation (70 points)
Object-orietned design (30 points)
User Interface (40 points)
Locking (80 points)
Data class (40 points)
Server (40 points)


I'm also not a native speaker, so they won't deduct points for not being fluent in English (otherwise I never could have a perfect score)
Elchin Asgarli
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Here are current scoring criteria from oracle page:

Categories - Maximum points
General Considerations - 80
Documentation - 50
Object-Oriented Design - 50
GUI - 70
Locking - 80
Language Fluency - 70

For some reason Data Class and Server criteria are missing, and there is Language Fluency added.

Roel De Nijs
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Elchin Asgarli wrote:Here are current scoring criteria from

I think the word "current" is not correct at all!

In 2007 the website (of Sun) already mentioned these scoring criteria (using the search engine you'll find several threads, like this one).

My assignment was graded May/June 2009 and the criteria from the instructions.html were used. But now no details are given anymore about your score and you just get a pass or fail grade. So you don't have a clue anymore on the criteria they use for grading. It even could be: number of classes <= 50 results in a pass (otherwise you'll fail)
Elchin Asgarli
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Roel De Nijs wrote:
Elchin Asgarli wrote:Here are current scoring criteria from

I think the word "current" is not correct at all!

In 2007 the website (of Sun) already mentioned these scoring criteria (using the search engine you'll find several threads, like this one).


They may have started such criteria at 2007, but seems like they still use it! But anyway, I will wait until I purchase my assignment and then see what I have there and start doing my best!

Roel De Nijs wrote: My assignment was graded May/June 2009 and the criteria from the instructions.html were used. But now no details are given anymore about your score and you just get a pass or fail grade. So you don't have a clue anymore on the criteria they use for grading. It even could be: number of classes <= 50 results in a pass (otherwise you'll fail)


I will write everything in one class inside main() method then

Dont they give details if you fail? At least that is what is written in their page..
Roberto Perillo
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Howdy, y'all.

You know, coming to work this morning, I thought about another meaning for this "language fluency" item that can make more sense. For instance, I am fluent in portuguese, which means that I know lots of elements of this language, that I can build rich sentences and that I can talk to anyone that also speaks portuguese. What does it mean to be fluent in Java? That you know lots of elements of the language (not only the core of it, but its API as well) and that you can build applications that use these elements. For instance, let's say that you want to create a listener that listens to the close event of your main window. You then create a class that implements WindowListener, implements the windowClosing method with a concrete logic, and all the other methods have an empty body. If you are fluent in Java, you would instead create a class that extends WindowAdapter and override only the windowClosing method.

I think the "language fluency" item has to do with it.
Roel De Nijs
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Elchin Asgarli wrote:Dont they give details if you fail? At least that is what is written in their page..

Yes, they do. But it happens very rarely. I'm here since the beginning of 2009 and certainly not more than 5 ranchers failed (even I can recollect just 1 person who failed, something wrong with her locking mechanism).
Elchin Asgarli
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Roel De Nijs wrote: I'm here since the beginning of 2009 and certainly not more than 5 ranchers failed (even I can recollect just 1 person who failed, something wrong with her locking mechanism).


Good to know that!
 
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