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My thoughts on SCJD

Raf Szczypiorski
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Joined: Aug 21, 2008
Posts: 383
Hi. I thought I wouldn't do it, but eventually I will.

I finally got the answer I now I am certified. I would like to thank the authors of the data test class and the ant script, which are of course Roel and Roberto - keep up the good work here at the forum and help others achieve their goal. Reading some topics (now or archive) was also very helpful. Now, a little rant.

So, yesterday (Monday) I received the email that I passed. It is nearly 3 months since I got the confirmation that my assignment and the essay have been collected and passed for grading, about which I had to ask them, as nothing happened for 3 weeks. Within these 3 months I wrote 3 emails to Oracle, 2 friendly ones and the last one, very negative, complaining and basically requiring an answer. I got none, but after 2 more weeks (Monday) I got a reply to my email saying that I got certified. No points, no anything, just certified and some '1% elite' bull$@^6. In the end, I was so pissed off, that I don't even enjoy it, now that I got the message (supposedly up to another 6 weeks to get the package, let's see how this works out).
In the first 2 emails inquiring about the status (it was well past the 6 weeks deadline) I got answers along the lines: "we are merging, we have problems, we have a long backlog". It was completely untrue, which I could see even here - there were people from different countries that still were doing the Sun assignments (as opposed to the 'new' Oracle ones) and sent them later than me, but got the results much sooner (sometimes amazingly fast, I recall someone getting it within 2 weeks or so). This really made me angry, because I regarded it a lie, and this resulted in the angry 3rd email, which was successful... Anyways, I am not even sure whether my assignment was graded at all or they just gave the cert to get rid of me, and the fact that they don't even bother to provide the score (at least the global one!) just makes it easier to believe.

All in all, I think that what they did to the certificate is unholy, for me and people around me that knew I attempted to get it the status of these certs has sunken so low that it means almost nothing. It used to be something, and now... They don't even know what branding will the certificate have (I asked them, and they told me to wait till I get the package). Not that it matters, a cert is a cert and the old ones will be recognized, but it speaks volumes of the process.

These are just some of my thoughts on the subject. I don't want to discourage anyone from attempting to take it - you will learn new stuff, but for the money the service is unacceptable (at least in my case).

Raf
Roel De Nijs
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Joined: Jul 19, 2004
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Hi Raf,

Congrats passing the SCJD exam

Even when Sun was just simply Sun there were a few people which were unlucky and had to wait several weeks more than the 4-6 weeks before their assignment got graded (and other ones got their result a lot faster). And in the weeks/months of the acquisition, I was also convinced there was a serious lack of a decent service. Nowadays I think service (and grading) is getting better (could it be worse?): grading happens a lot faster (except your's of course).

I agree with you: Oracle should provide at least the total score. Even providing the per section scores should be given, because it gives you the idea your assignment is (really) graded and the developer will know what parts of the assignment were good and which ones were wrong.

Just my 2 cents.
Kind regards,
Roel


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Roberto Perillo
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Joined: Dec 28, 2007
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Howdy, Raf!

First, congrats for the achievement! I am very happy for you and happy for being able to help you in your journey.

Now, you said that you don't even know if they really saw your solution and everything... well, I honestly think they did. Because, it would be a good thing for them if you had failed... because you would possibly try again, and it would imply in another voucher, hence more money for them. So you can certainly be proud of yourself!

The bad thing is that, as far as I can see, the quality of their services is now very poor. But the good thing is that now you are part of the 1% elite (I guess now it is around 3% or 4% ).


Cheers, Bob "John Lennon" Perillo
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Raf Szczypiorski
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Roberto Perillo wrote:if you had failed... because you would possibly try again, and it would imply in another voucher, hence more money for them

That's a wrong assumption, seriously.
Roberto Perillo wrote:now you are part of the 1% elite (I guess now it is around 3% or 4% )

Probably (do you imply that I am so fat that now I take the remaining 2-3% of elite space? ). But 1% still looks better, right? Marketing and stuff.
Roberto Perillo
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Raf Szczypiorski wrote:That's a wrong assumption, seriously.


Hum.. I don't know. Maybe this is something we'll never know for sure. But I prefer to think people pass due to the quality of their assignment, and not because Oracle wants to get rid of people.
Raf Szczypiorski
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Joined: Aug 21, 2008
Posts: 383
No no, I meant that the assumption that if I had failed, I would buy another voucher is wrong, because I wouldn't do it.
I also prefer to believe that they did grade it, but then again, how can I be sure with all the bad impression they made?
Roel De Nijs
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Raf Szczypiorski wrote:I would buy another voucher is wrong, because I wouldn't do it.

You would not do it at all? Or you just won't do it because you had a very bad experience with this certification? If they graded your assignment within 2 weeks and you have failed, would you still don't by a resubmission voucher?
Raf Szczypiorski
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Maybe I would if the service was good. I wouldn't buy a new one now, if after 3 months of such service I got the fail. Not because of the fail, but because that it lost all the value for me.
Allan Cheong
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Joined: Nov 12, 2009
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Congrats Raf! It took Oracle/Sun 3 months to grade my assignment too.


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Raf Szczypiorski
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And I got the package today, as I mention in the sticky topic at the top of the forum - and it is the old SCJD certification, even though they told me I would get the new shiny one. It doesn't really matter, I lost all faith in this stuff anyways, so new or old is the same useless sheet of paper to me, but c'mon, do these people back at Oracle responsible for that stuff have to such so much?
 
Don't get me started about those stupid light bulbs.
 
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