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Leandro Coutinho
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<a href="http://www.coderanch.com/t/someID/Ranch-Office/this-is-a-long-tilte-and-users">http://www.coderanch.com/t/someID/Ranch-Office/this-is-a-long-tilte-and-users</a>

My advice is to add the title attribute to the link, improving the usability of the forum:

<a href="http://www.coderanch.com/t/someID/Ranch-Office/this-is-a-long-tilte-and-users"
title="this is a long title and users won't be able to see the full text in the forums page of this site">http://www.coderanch.com/t/someID/Ranch-Office/this-is-a-long-tilte-and-users</a>
Andrew Monkhouse
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Heh - guess I've been spoiled by having a widescreen monitor: no problems reading the title on my screen.

But you do raise a good suggestion that should be easy to implement: thanks!


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Ulf Dittmer
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Andrew Monkhouse wrote:Heh - guess I've been spoiled by having a widescreen monitor: no problems reading the title on my screen.

I think Leandro is talking about the Saloon home page where all titles are shortened to 30 characters with an ellipsis appended, so the one for this topic appears as "this is a long title and users...".


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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I've considered making this change in the past, but considering the added page weight has always held me back. We've had some interest in cleaning our HTML up and reducing the size, and anything that makes it significantly larger doesn't sound too good to me.


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Leandro Coutinho
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Yes Ulf, I'm talking about this page. Ernest, you can't be serious. Do just add the title attribute would make the site significantly larger?!
The way it works now, the user has to click on the link to see all title, and this could be easily avoided.
Leandro Coutinho
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It will increase a little bit the size (although I think this difference will not be perceived), but it will reduce the traffic on your servers!
Because you won't have undesirable (and curiosity) clicks, because they won't need to go to the page to see the full title.
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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I am quite serious. There are about 75 forums on the front page. If the title attribute adds 40 characters per forum, that adds 3K to our most visited page, which is not cacheable. At a million views a month, that's 3GB additional traffic, too. This is not a huge deal, of coursea, but remember that it's just one of many good ideas under consideration.
Leandro Coutinho
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David Newton wrote:I doubt it would decrease the traffic.

Don't you think that it will decrease not even 1%?!! It's a good bet ... =) I think it will decrease at least 4%.
Take a look at this page man: http://www.coderanch.com/forums
Many times you can't know what the topic is about, so you have to click. And then you simply go back, because the topic doesn't interest you.
Mike Simmons
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Hmmm, it seems to me like it's not very effective to browse individual posts from the all-forums page anyway. Since it only shows the most recent post, you can easily miss the second-most-recent post, third-most-recent, etc. Unless you go to the individual forum pages, which is what I do. Generally when I look at the all-forums page, I just want to know which forums have new posts. I see little value in knowing the title of just one of those new posts; if I'm interested in a given forum at all, I want to see all the recent posts. I don't think it's practical to show this for all forums on one page, so the current system of going to the individual forum pages works fine for me.

It's hard for me to tell whether this proposed change would increase or decrease ease of use or server load. But my opinion is that people who depend on this feature are using the site incorrectly. ;)
Leandro Coutinho
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David and Mike made good point, that each user user has his way to use the site. Mike, you cannot say that someone is using incorrectly only because he is to using as you are.
Ernerst, yeah, 3 KB is considerable, but it is a bad case scenario.
And you really don't need to put title in all topics!!! Only those that have more than 30 characters (?).
So it's better yet. You don't need to make any change in your code, just add the title when you add the ellipsis.
Mike Simmons
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Leandro Coutinho wrote:Mike, you cannot say that someone is using incorrectly only because he is to using as you are.

Sure I can! My way is the one true way. I am simply trying to enlighten the rest of you.

No, seriously, that's why I included the wink ;) at the end of the post. The final comment was a joke. Mostly.
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
 
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