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Retired Java Developer Assignment

Mozell White
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Joined: Sep 13, 2006
Posts: 4
Hello Everyone,

I finally think I'm ready to submit my assignment after downloading it back in July of 2007 (long time I know, but life/work got in the way of finishing!). I went to the website today (Oracle) to confirm how to submit it and saw the following message:

* Please note your assignment will be graded only if you are pursuing the current Java SE6 Developer certification track. We will not review assignments for certification tracks prior to Java SE6 Developer certification. To determine the version of the certification track for your assignment, you can refer to the email that you received from Sun with the exam assignment purchase details. The assignment exam should be #310-252A and you have to have purchased after January 2008. If you don’t have your assignment purchase email, you can refer to the date you purchased your assignment and the assignment was issued. Valid assignments must have been issued after January 2008. Any assignment that was issued prior to this date is no longer valid as it was for a retired certification track. If you wish to pursue the Java Developer certification, you will need to complete the requirements above.

It looks like this means my assignment is no longer valid I check the website for updates on occasion and was wondering how long this policy has been in effect. Does anyone know?

Thanks
M White
Roel De Nijs
Bartender

Joined: Jul 19, 2004
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Hi Mozell,

I downloaded my assignment in May/June 2007 and submitted in May 2009 (started development in January 2009). So I'm pretty sure you have a similar assignment as me and as the people who download the assignment today. I guess you have the URLyBird (hotel rooms) or Bodgitt & Scraper (contractors). I would send a mail to suncert_ww@oracle.com and ask if you can still submit the assignment and take the essay exam. It could take up to 5 business days before you get an answer.

Kind regards,
Roel


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Sean Keane
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Joined: Nov 03, 2010
Posts: 581

Hi Mozell, did you find out whether you can submit your assigment?

I purchased a voucher for the Sun Certified Java Developer on 05/07/2007 and downloaded it the assignment straight away.

I have only got around to starting it now, so I contacted Oracle to see if they would allow me submit it in a few months time.

My assignment exam is CX-310-252A - it's the URLyBird one.

Here is the generic response I got from Oracle below. Which doesn't make entire sense. As my assignment is definitely CX-310-252A but I purchased it before January 2008.

I would be interested to hear how you got on.

As per Oracle policy, certification credentials are awarded only for currently active certification tracks. While the certification credentials for earlier tracks remain valid, we do not certify new candidates on retired certification tracks. To align with this policy, please note your assignment will be graded only if you are pursuing the current Java SE6 Developer certification track that is congruent with this essay exam. We will not review assignments for certification tracks prior to Java SE6 Developer certification.

To determine the version of the certification track for your assignment, you can refer to the email that you have received from Sun with the exam assignment purchase details. The assignment exam should be #310-252A (the assignment referenced on this page). If you don’t have your assignment purchase email, you can refer to the date you purchased your assignment and the assignment was issued. Valid assignments must have been issued after January 2008. Any assignments that were issued prior to this date are no longer valid as they are for a retired certification track. All path and exam retirements are announced on the website 3 months prior to the retirement.

If you wish to pursue the Java Developer certification, you will need to complete the requirements for the current certification path Oracle Certified Master, Java SE6 Developer


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Mozell White
Greenhorn

Joined: Sep 13, 2006
Posts: 4
Hi Sean,

I received the exact same response which I agree is kind of vague. I have not pursued it any further since then. I would hate to have to buy the assignment again at $300 But if you are able to get a more definitive response from them, I would love to hear about it.

Thanks!
Monya
Sean Keane
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Joined: Nov 03, 2010
Posts: 581

Monya, is this not a bigger problem for you? Is it not possible that you could buy a pay for a new assignment, but end up getting a different assignment to the one you have implemented?

I think I have seen messages on this forum from people who said they bought their assignment before January 2008, but were allowed to submit in 2010. If that is true, then I would think that this is poor on the side of Oracle to allow pre 2008 assignments, and then all of a sudden not to allow them.
Roel De Nijs
Bartender

Joined: Jul 19, 2004
Posts: 5300
    
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Sean Keane wrote:I think I have seen messages on this forum from people who said they bought their assignment before January 2008, but were allowed to submit in 2010. If that is true, then I would think that this is poor on the side of Oracle to allow pre 2008 assignments, and then all of a sudden not to allow them.

Like said in the standard message: they have announced it on their website, 3 months prior to the retirement. So I'll think you have to pray for some goodwill of Oracle. But they announced it, so you can't blame Oracle. On the other side the current assignment is still similar to the Sun ones, so this retirement is kind of stupid (it would be another story if they came up with another assignment)
Sean Keane
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Joined: Nov 03, 2010
Posts: 581

If my understanding is correct, the assignment for OCJD is still called #310-252A. If they have retired #310-252A, then why is it still called #310-252A?

Is it not simply the case that they have decided not to honour people who bought #310-252A without a deadline?

Whereas up to a certain point in time they were honouring people who bought #310-252A without a deadline - I read one post on the forum of a guy who bought his #310-252A in 2007 and submitted in 2010.

Obviously from Oracles point of view it makes sense to stop people who bought #310-252A before January 2008 submitting, as they'll get a bit more revenue, although I wouldn't have thought a lot more
Roel De Nijs
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In Sun's era you simply could buy an assignment and you didn't have a time limit. I downloaded my assignment also in 2007 and actually started in January 2009 with developing (submitted in May 2009). Then a time-limit of 1 year was introduced. Oracle now retires these unlimited assignments (which are still the same instructions as now, I guess).
I guess this policy would make more sense if they really had a new assignment, like with the 1st version of the certification (prior to the URLyBird and Bodgitt&Scraper ones) which got retired (threads can be found using "NX" in the search engine)
Sean Keane
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Joined: Nov 03, 2010
Posts: 581

I think it would probably be more descriptive to say Oracle is simply not honouring unlimited assignments that were issued before January 2008, rather than saying that they retired anything. Which I guess is their prerogative to do? Or do they have to honour the terms and conditions of the clients they inherited from Sun?

As you say the instructions and assignments would seem to be the same, also it is still called #310-252A, so it doesn't make sense to say they have retired anything.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, I think Sun also had the concept of "retiring" a certification. But as far as I understand it was meant in the sense that there would be something *new* about what came in place of the retired certification.

Anyway, looks like I'll be getting out the credit card again
Roel De Nijs
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Joined: Jul 19, 2004
Posts: 5300
    
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Sean Keane wrote:Anyway, looks like I'll be getting out the credit card again

I'm afraid you'll have no other choice if you want to become OCMJD (nonetheless you can still try to get a 1-time delay of 3 months which give you the needed time to submit and take essay exam)
Sean Keane
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Joined: Nov 03, 2010
Posts: 581

I got the definitive answer back from Oracle, it's definitely out with the credit card again , on the bright side I haven't started work on the assignment that I had, phew

Please note that currently we are accepting assignments which have been purchased only after Jan 2008. Your assignment is 3 years old.

Our Assessors have confirmed the assignment submitted by you is no longer valid. The certification path for which this assignment was valid has retired. It is our policy that a candidate must complete all certification requirements in a given path before the path retires. We cannot accept certification requirements toward a retired certification path. All path and exam retirements are announced on the website 3 months prior to the retirement.

If you wish to pursue the Java Developer certification, you will need to complete the requirements for the current certification path Oracle Certified Master, Java SE6 Developer.
Regards,
OCP Team
Roel De Nijs
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Joined: Jul 19, 2004
Posts: 5300
    
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Sorry to hear you have to pay again.

Thanks for sharing this info, could be helpful for other ranchers with an "old" assignment.
 
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