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Protecting Internet Website from getting copied/stolen‏

Jesus Angeles
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Hi guys,

I am planning on launching my website.

I want to ask you if you can share a tip or two, regarding protecting our web system and content from getting stolen.

What I am choosing between, is:
1. run my own server, get a broadband service to serve my website
2. run my website in a commercial service, something like eapps.com

#1 will definitely cost more. As a starter, and to limit my risks, I wish that I dont have to do this.

For #2, I am concerned that, when I deploy my application (software, database, etc.) on the commercial service site, someone who have access in the commercial service site can easily copy my entire website. This however seems to offer the lowest operating cost.

I am hoping that you can comment on this.

For example:
1. no one will care to steal it. this one, for sure is not true.
2. run your own servers and therefore have no issue on this; recognize the cost
3. etc.

I will appreciate any comments.

Regards,
Jesus
An aspiring first-time website enterpreneur
Atul Darne
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you have to choose a webhost that you should trust. and if you are providing any applications make it licensed.


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Saurabh Pillai
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You can not cordon *anything* once it is on the internet.

what prohibits the people from copying your intellectual property if you do your own web hosting?

I think you can put copyright statement. The stuff that would go into copyright statement would differ from website to website. And if down the road you come across a website where you see your own contents then you can give them a notice.
Jeanne Boyarsky
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If you put it on the internet, you cannot prevent someone from stealing it. You can make it illegal, you can make it harder, you can't stop it. And someone doesn't need access to your server to steal it. Most providers themselves can be trusted not to steal your content.

See what happened here.


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Well, you cannot prevent any content that users can see on your website from being stolen. Whatever a user can see using his browser can be copied.

Ofcourse, if you have web applications running on the server, normal Internet users will not be able to copy those web applications themselves. Only somebody who has access to the server, where your WAR or EAR file would be deployed (in the case of a Java EE web container or app server) could copy those files and have a copy of your web app that way.


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Jesus Angeles
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Wow, javaranch is a victim too? I even, not knowing this crime against javaranch, emailed Paul the same question yesterday, asking if for advise to a beginner like me, on if he serves javaranch on own server or webhost.

Thanks all for the reply.

Actually, I didnt care about the content stolen via browser. I understand that, technically, nothing will save us.

What I am concerned is my 'application, database, all codes and data in my database that I will put time, effort, time, blood on', that I put on the server. That is, if I put it on a commercial web host, anyone in the web host company can copy/steal it.

I have read on dmci but all sounds 'pain' to me, that I wish not to need to use.

It seems that the ultimate and only solution in safe-guarding our 'application on server', is to host it in our own server; where we know it is safe, unless a physical burglar comes in, or a hacker hacks thru.
Jesus Angeles
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re:javaranch dmci issue

It is ridiculously much more expensive to run my own server.

I hope not to dig into the javaranch dmci issue, but it may be a good example of what I am concerned about. Is it a case of 500,000 data copied directly from server/web host? Or an issue on using 'intellectual property' text like 'welcome to javaranch' to improve the SEO?
Jimmy Clark
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If you create a commercial website that will generate revenue, then hosting your own site is the best option. You will have the most control and the most security using your own servers.

If the business takes off and is doing superb financially, then finding a third-party data center (close to your office or home) to host the site is a good option.

If your site is simply a basic website with nothing related to commerce, then it does not make financial sense to host yourself and you could find a low-cost $20 a month deal hosting provider. Keep in mind that you will be completely dependent upon this provider and when something does not work as expected you are at their MERCY ... and may have to shell out $100 a hour troubleshooting fees.

Setting up to host your own site may run you about 10K, and then ongoing costs for ISP account around $150 per month.

Good luck son!
Jeanne Boyarsky
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Jesus Angeles wrote:I hope not to dig into the javaranch dmci issue, but it may be a good example of what I am concerned about. Is it a case of 500,000 data copied directly from server/web host? Or an issue on using 'intellectual property' text like 'welcome to javaranch' to improve the SEO?

The data wwas not stolen fro the server. All our web pages were copied via the web URLs. The thing you can't protect.
Jesus Angeles
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Just want to share.

I tried dyndns.com, and was able to serve a test website, serve on my own desktop, on a dynamic ip address of an isp. It needed setting on the linksys router.

Anyone have comment on this? This would mean that my codes are safe in my own server at home.

However, I wonder if my isp will detect heavy traffic on my broadband service, and control it, or suspend it, etc..
Paul Sturrock
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Your server side code is safe - though its a likely to be safe at a commercial ISP too. If you allow access to your site your content is not safe, for the reasons listed above.


However, I wonder if my isp will detect heavy traffic on my broadband service, and control it, or suspend it, etc..

Most likely. ISPs offer commercial packages for websites. You would be safest buying one of those. You can still host your own server if your really want to, but its probably cheaper hiring one at an ISP.


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