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Elhanan Maayan
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Joined: May 04, 2009
Posts: 136

i don't know exactly how to call this post, maybe it's a rant, perhaps to blow off stream.

i'm 34 ,been in the field for around 14 years,no formal education , mainly insurance stuff, did a little vb, .net, now in java, currently job deals with spring and hibernate, but not really directly.

i'm find myself completely un-motivated to learn new technologies, GWT,EJB,JPA, CDI? what's the point of learning new ways to do the same old thing of letting user A, with IQ Y, input data about client Z who paid X amount of C ,on D date.
i'm mean that's basically what it boils down to in the end. i've havn't been through the era of ejb's 2.1, but once you got the point, what's next?
SOA, ESB? my POV, says it's all crap,and a marketing ploy, especially since i witnessed first hand, a case where a girl had to install a vb script polling excel files from one system via outlook, and sending them to another system, while she was sitting between 2 SYSTEM ARCHITECTS , who weren't aware of what she was doing in the first place!

sure i love to learn to new things, but when they have a means to end, and i sea no end, the only joy i currently have is to model domain models, but even that wears thin as the folks around me, believe in anemic domain models, (just place getter and setters and no logic) so it basically just boils down to if,else,loop. i once stated that in our workplace we don't really need an Internet since we all write some kludge code, to fix something.
it doesn't really make any difference.

rules system like drools? creating a DSL? sure it's sounds interesting, untill you realize you just give a user B a way to decide of if user A should input record C... etc...

i thought about joining a os project but the help wanted section in sourceforge, looks mostly like something students would do.

the only the thing that sparked my interest was a project who never got of the ground that dealt with neuronetworks, that's why i bought an introduction neuronetworks for java book and hadoop, but i fear that it might entail complex math which i'm not good at.

also thought about doing maybe a vlog which basically shows how to do stuff in java with new technologies incrementally building on the HR schema from oracle, but who would watch it considering the existence of besttechvideo's.
maybe a vlog taking suggestion from folks who wanna know how to do stuff and then show the rest? but then again,but that would suggest someone might actually read me and.. google is your friend?

hell,thought about taking a detour of learning blender 3d, but i have NLD which means a "bug" in spatial vision, considered learning music and maybe have a software to real time composing.

please don't tell me i'm depressed because i'm already consuming 200 mg of zoloft , 108 mg of concerta, as well as 5 mg melatnonin which make my dreams the most interesting part of the day for me. (not kidding, one of them got me ripping the AC'S remote from the wall while i guess i tried to climb it..) , experimenting of nerv system meds has been a little hobby of mine in the last years. ;)

rant ..rant.. rant.. whine. bitch.. and some more rant..
Bert Bates

Joined: Oct 14, 2002
Posts: 8898
I can feel some of your pain...

I'm not particularly motivated to learn the programming language du jour. I'm usually not compelled to learn a new technology just for the sake of it being a new technology, unless there's more to it than some flavor of efficiency improvement.

How about taking a fresh look at the problems you're trying to solve at work. Maybe they're what's boring?! For example, even the coolest technology in the world wouldn't make an accounting software package too interesting for me.

Maybe you could find work at a cool non-profit that's changing the world?

Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
(If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
Pat Farrell

Joined: Aug 11, 2007
Posts: 4659

Elhanan Maayan wrote:i'm find myself completely un-motivated to learn new technologies, GWT,EJB,JPA, CDI? what's the point of learning new ways to do the same old thing of letting user A, with IQ Y, input data about client Z who paid X amount of C ,on D date.
..... 200 mg of zoloft ....

Zoloft was my favorite drug. It made me mellow, but it gave me migraine headaches every day about 4 PM. I would sit there, thinking, man, I have a killer migraine, I wish I didn't have it. Too bad this Zoloft is causing the killer migraines......

GWT is actually interesting if you are a serious Java head, since GWT works on browsers, and no way will Java applets ever cut it for even a Web 2.0 apps. But its old technology now, we seem to be forever cursed with writing the client-side code in Javascript. Bletch. We are at a funny turning point in the industry. Simple HTML form based web apps are no longer acceptable. You have to have lots of client-side code to make it look and act like a native app. But the tools for developing cross-platform client-side apps are primitive.

I completely agree with you on JEE, EJB, and other similar stuff. Way too heavy, way too marketing driven.

Get an Adruino and learn to hack hardware and embedded systems. Much more fun that writing yet another corporate website using Beans and JSP.
Hussein Baghdadi
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Joined: Nov 08, 2003
Posts: 3479

+1 for Arduino mention
You could also try some Android programming, writing Lisp interpreter, studying a functional language and how to implement algorithms with it (something that I'm already doing).
Sumit Bisht
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Joined: Jul 02, 2008
Posts: 331

Oh man! I really need to focus.
First I thought this thread was about aliens (going by its title).
And until i re-read this thread (doing various other things in between), i thought Zoloft was some new cool tech. that you people were discussing.
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