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Mandatory Course Requirement for OCMJD and OCMJEA Starting October 1

David Byron
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See mandatory course requirement thread. Includes dates and FAQ.


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Jeanne Boyarsky
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Wow. I'm speechless. This is one of the things that makes the Spring cert a fringe cert. That you have to take a $3K course. And three of the four classes aren't even relevant. I'm glad I took the cert this year.


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deepak adlakha
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I agree. Looks like Oracle wants to make more money from this certification. But with this coming in place, i doubt many people will go for this as this is getting expensive and people might look for some other ones.
Personally, I am disappointed with this move. I am glad i cleared this last year.
Rahul Mishra
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Wow..Certifications ..seems to be getting less and less about knowledge and more about the finance.

I am so glad i took it this year..

But i am feeling the heat elsewhere..i was looking to achieve something worthwhile in SOA..and possibly a certification...but the costs seem to be hitting through the roof..everywhere

Will these certifications still be as coveted when cost becomes such an enormous hindrance?


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Matthew Brown
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Shame. I was thinking of taking this one, but this rules it right out. It might be different if I could get work to pay for the course, but they've got other priorities at the moment.
Mikalai Zaikin
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Matthew Brown wrote:Shame. I was thinking of taking this one, but this rules it right out. It might be different if I could get work to pay for the course, but they've got other priorities at the moment.


Matthew, if you pass SCEA before August 1st, you don't need to take a training. It's doable in 5 months.


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Matthew Brown
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Mikalai Zaikin wrote:Matthew, if you pass SCEA before August 1st, you don't need to take a training. It's doable in 5 months.

Too much on at the moment, I'm afraid, to guarantee I've got time for that. I was vaguely thinking about taking it later in the year.
Mikalai Zaikin
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Matthew Brown wrote:
Mikalai Zaikin wrote:Matthew, if you pass SCEA before August 1st, you don't need to take a training. It's doable in 5 months.

Too much on at the moment, I'm afraid, to guarantee I've got time for that. I was vaguely thinking about taking it later in the year.


I see. Iagree that most of people will not rush into SCEA, it takes some long preparation, so 5 months (which are left till Aug 1st) might be not enough.
Charles Wu
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US$ 2,250--Java Programming Language, Java SE 6 (SL-275-SE6)
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Total 10,000+ US$.

It cost a heck of a lot of money
Sean Keane
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I think you only have to do one course after the 1st August 2011, so something like $2250, not $10,000!!!

An interesting question is what happens if you submit before the 1st August and find out after the 1st August that you fail. Do you (A) have to do a course (B) don't have to do a course.

If the answer is (B). Then anyone thinking of doing this cert, it would make sense to get Part 1 passed asap, then submit any form of the assignment (Part 2) and do the associated exam (Part 3) before the 1st of August. Then if you fail, all you will have to do is pay for the repeat submission, rather than $2250 for a course if you start after 1st August


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Jeanne Boyarsky
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Charles,
Welcome to CodeRanch!

As Sean noted, you only have to take one course. The thing is three of the courses are too basic for someone about to take an architecture exam. The remaining course is 3K. Plus the loss of wages for not working a week.
Jari Timonen
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Can someone sticky this?

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Rene Avontuur
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It will be a race against the clock for me.
I strongly prefer self-study. Without the ability to learn by self-study, one can't be a good developer or even an architect. There will always be new techniques to know, before any course is available.
By passing an exam, I can show that I know the subject right.

Would it still remain an option to pass the exams (part I, II en III), without doing any course? (even after august)

This would allow me to tell anyone that I passed the required exams. Without having a certificate, but with some documents that state that I passed the exams.

I don't like this. Just got the approvement to do this certification track. Now I have to tell that things changed, which effects reliabilty.

René


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Jeanne Boyarsky
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Jari: Good idea on the stickying. This is going to be a hot topic for discussion/reference until August!

David: I edited the subject to add the date since it will now be a sticky.

Rene: I don't think they will let you take the course without the pre-req. Not sure though.
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Since the OCMJD forum has a thread with very similar discussion, I'm locking this thread and ask you to continue in there. As people find things out about the rules, it would be helpful to everyone to not be discussing in two places.

http://www.coderanch.com/t/529131/java-developer-SCJD/certification/Mandatory-Course-Requirement-OCMJD-OCMJEA#2399545
 
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