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Why are there j2ee core pattern questions on Oracles's practise test?

dave mitrione
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Joined: Feb 23, 2011
Posts: 11

Hi All,

My understanding is that only GOF design patterns are covered in the exam. Question 1 and 7 of oracle's free sample exam both are j2ee core pattern related.

I also took the free ePractise test and that also had a j2ee pattern question in it.

So I am confused now, are j2ee pattersn fair game or not?

I would prefer to hear back from people who actually wrote the latest version of the exam.

Cheers,
Dave
Youssef Ben Kaddour El Wazzani
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Joined: Feb 20, 2011
Posts: 41
Hi,

I have passed the part 1 of SCEA(JEE 5.0) in February of the last year, and the JEE core patterns were definitivly part of it.
For the first part (as i have done), i think it's not necessary to master them completly, it will be enough to know what pattern is more suited for a given case, just read the basis of each one, here is a good link.

Regards,
Yegor Bugayenko
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Joined: Feb 11, 2011
Posts: 77
I passed three months ago and I had no questions about GoF design patterns and about 10 questions about JEE design patterns. It was a surprise for me.


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Sharma Ashutosh
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Joined: Apr 06, 2001
Posts: 346
SCEA5 - part 1 will be having different set of question papers-but definitely some defined number of set. May be the case, people are getting different sets and they can thus get different questions.


Ashutosh Sharma
SCJP 1.2, SCEA 5, Brainbench certified J2EE Developer, Documentum Certified Professional
Blog : http://scea5-passingpart2and3.blogspot.com/
dave mitrione
Greenhorn

Joined: Feb 23, 2011
Posts: 11

Thank you all for your reply. Studying for this exam is the most frustrating thing I have experienced. So much contradictory , vague and absent information.

Now I have to study all the j2ee patterns when all this time i just concentrated on GOF which might not even be on the exam.

Very frustrating indeed. I hope I haven't made any other miscalculations.
Sharma Ashutosh
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Joined: Apr 06, 2001
Posts: 346
My 2 cents:
Though preparing for SCEA5 is tire some but it's rewarding. It's not reading one or two books or reading some 1000 pages book and you are done. The amount of knowledge that is acquired during the preparation process(all the phases) is tremendous and helps in the long run. For part 1- i spent close to 5 months - studying almost 1-1.5 hrs during the weekdays and around 3-4 hours on weekend. At the time when i appeared for Part 1- Cade's 2nd edition was not out also. I have to go thru at least some 8-9 books and several online resources. Javaranch is quite valuable as well as blogs published by folks who have already cleared the exam. These resources will guide you in the right direction plus cut down your preparation time to some extent.
My company sponsors SCEA5 and they also give us 2 years for passing all the parts.
I will suggest you to go thru Sun's ePractice-that will give you some idea about the real exam.
Jimmy Clark
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Joined: Apr 16, 2008
Posts: 2187
SCEA5 is simply an old marketing trick from Sun and now Oracle. The exam and requirements are poorly organized and have been dumbed down from older versions to get more individuals to be able to pass. I imagine that the "simplifying" process had a role in the disorganization and confusion that you now find....and pay for
dave mitrione
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Joined: Feb 23, 2011
Posts: 11

ok so I looked at this site which someone recommended:

http://java.sun.com/blueprints/corej2eepatterns/Patterns/

But there is only 17 patterns, Mark Cade's book has 21 patterns.

Do I need to just learn the patterns on sun's site or also the additonal ones in Mark Cade's book?

Thanks.
Dave
Sharma Ashutosh
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Joined: Apr 06, 2001
Posts: 346
Design patterns is very important topic for all the 3 parts of SCEA5.
I will say , study all the JEE patterns and no obsolete patterns(Service Locator etc...).
I will suggest these books in the order:
Real World JEE patterns http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Patterns-Rethinking-Practices/dp/0557078326
Core J2EE patterns http://www.amazon.com/Core-J2EE-Patterns-Practices-Strategies/dp/0131422464/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302138124&sr=1-1
Heads First Design patterns and GoF for selective reading

Hope this helps
 
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