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Bear Bibeault
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Watching coverage of WWDC 2011.

Lion will be $29.99 (too cool!), available in July, and downloaded form the App Store, on any number of systems. Fantastic pricing, especially for those of us who used to buy the family pack for multiple systems.

Looks like it'll have lots of great features, including a new Mail client patterned on the IOS Mail app.


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Is there currently a link with all the features yet?


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http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

Sorry, forgot to search first.
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The Resume feature will be super nice.
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Air Drop, Resume, Mission Control, and Launch Pad all look like great productivity enhancers.

A lot of the minor annoyances I've had with OS X seem to be going away...

Full screen apps ought to satisfy those who miss Maximize from Windows, and resizing windows from any border shouldn't have taken 6 versions, but it'll finally be there.
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Mail 5 will be a nice change as well. The current Mail.app is showing its age. Conversation viewing will be nice too. Currently we only get that in gmail's web interface.
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Indeed. I haven't been as critical of the Mail.app as others may have been, but it's never been a great interface experience. That appears to be changing much for the better.
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http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/06/mac-os-x-lion-set-for-july-debut-priced-at-29-99-mac-app-store-exclusive/
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This will be my first upgrade so kindly bear ( ) with my stupid questions

1) Do I need to upgrade? Will future apps not work on SnowLeopard. Frankly speaking, I am happy with Snow Leopard and I do not see anything in Lion which really excites me.
2) From the above link, looks like there is no DVD. So if I do it from the app store, will it install it just like any other update? Will it retain my settings or will it be a "clean" install
3) If I wait now, what are the chances of a DVD in the future?


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Maneesh Godbole wrote:This will be my first upgrade so kindly bear ( ) with my stupid questions

1) Do I need to upgrade? Will future apps not work on SnowLeopard. Frankly speaking, I am happy with Snow Leopard and I do not see anything in Lion which really excites me.
2) From the above link, looks like there is no DVD. So if I do it from the app store, will it install it just like any other update? Will it retain my settings or will it be a "clean" install
3) If I wait now, what are the chances of a DVD in the future?


1) No, if you're happy with what is working, things should continue to work. Although if you're not excited about any of the changes I question your loyalty to the all powerful Steve!!!

2) It will just upgrade

3) No idea.
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Gregg Bolinger wrote:
1) No, if you're happy with what is working, things should continue to work. Although if you're not excited about any of the changes I question your loyalty to the all powerful Steve!!!

I agree with Gregg.

And for me, features like Resume, Mission Control, Launch Pad, and the advanced gestures are exciting as they will be very helpful productivity boosters. There are lots of people who feel let down unless there are ground-breaking new features, but I'm just as appreciative of the little things that make working easier.

2) It will just upgrade

Yup. There's also speculation that there'll be an option for a clean install if you have the partition space.

3) No idea.

There's also speculation that there will alternative upgrade paths for those that haven't upgraded to Snow Leopard and therefore do not have access to the Mac App Store.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Looks like it'll have lots of great features, including a new Mail client patterned on the IOS Mail app.

I'm unimpressed with the new features. Its about time the Mail app got reasonable, it been at least a half decade behind the times. Not that its a problem, you can just use Thunderbird or something else.

I fail to grok the amazement about "full screen apps" as if we haven't had them on every GUI operating system since the 80s. Mission Control is a great name, but it looks like Dashboard with some tweaks. Perhaps good tweaks, but nothing amazing.

They include a DropBox equivalent. OK, I like DropBox. But the real DropBox is cross platform, and I use it on Linux and Android as well as my MacBook Pro.

The IOS announcements look more interesting than the OS-X ones, IMHO.

How many IOS features can they add to OS-X before they kill off OS-X? That trend is clear, but it looks to be at least a few years into the future, as IOS hardware can't run a real OS yet.
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Pat Farrell wrote:I'm unimpressed with the new features.

I'm unsurprised.
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Maneesh Godbole wrote:This will be my first upgrade so kindly bear ( ) with my stupid questions

1) Do I need to upgrade? Will future apps not work on SnowLeopard. Frankly speaking, I am happy with Snow Leopard and I do not see anything in Lion which really excites me.
2) From the above link, looks like there is no DVD. So if I do it from the app store, will it install it just like any other update? Will it retain my settings or will it be a "clean" install
3) If I wait now, what are the chances of a DVD in the future?


3) No I expect them never to release a DVD of it. They want to get rid of the DVD. Heck, I want them to get rid of the DVD drive from MacBooks, there is not a single reason to have it in there. In my three years of MBPs, I have used the DVD once, and it was in the beginning watching a movie on a DVD, after I realized I didn't need to go that route, I have not touched it since.

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I do hope Mail is a great improvement. I think it will, it should have features that make it cleaner when you have multiple email addresses. I have that issue with the current mail program such that I don't use it, and get a little frustrated when the Mail program starts up when I click an email address in the browser, and then I have to quit it.

I think the features are really cool. Full Screen is different than Mac's current maximize. You will get about 5%-10% more real estate with Full Screen and I think it actually looks cooler too.

I love the new features and I think Lion is a must. Especially using iCloud. Because it will just work, and it will be easy.

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Was reading the full list of new stuff in Lion and ran across this:

OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.


http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#internetrestore
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Magid on Tech: Will Lion be Apple's OS X last roar?

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_18225900?nclick_check=1
don't have any inside information about Apple's long-term operating system plans, but I'm starting to wonder if Lion, the next version of OS X, might turn out to be the last version. I'm getting the impression the company might phase out OS X in favor of a Mac version of iOS — the operating system now used on the iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch.

Although Apple continues to innovate with its laptops and OS X PC operating system, the company is clearly emphasizing its iOS platform. It's a lucrative franchise for Apple, not just because of what it earn from the hardware, but from sales of third-party applications, cellular airtime and media including music, books, movies and TV shows.

Apple is making no secret of the fact that it's evolving the Mac in the direction of the iPad.
Apple showed off Lion during the keynote presentation at its World Wide Developers Conference on Monday, and the program is an even further "iPadization" of the Mac.

Lion features an optional interface called LaunchPad, which Apple describes as a "new, full-screen home for all the apps on your Mac." With Launchpad running, "our open windows fade away, replaced by a full-screen display of all your apps," Apple said.
In other words, the user interface on the new Mac OS will look a lot like the iPad. However, to its credit, Apple will continue to allow users to have multiple windows open at once if they choose to do so. Apple also wants you to get those Mac....


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Gregg Bolinger wrote:Was reading the full list of new stuff in Lion and ran across this:
OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.



Now that is the first cool new feature that I've heard. Seem to match their desire to stop including DVD drives in their machines. Killing the DVD makes sense, I rarely have used mine on the last couple of machines that I have -- and I'm on a computer at least 10 hours a day.

Not sure how this would work when you have a serious disk crash with no partition that can be read.
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Pat Farrell wrote:
Not sure how this would work when you have a serious disk crash with no partition that can be read.


On a Mac? Never!

On a more serious note, if that did happen I'd wager the disk is trash anyway. So nothing to recover to. So then the question, if I just buy a new harddrive for my mac, do I now have to buy a HD from Apple with Lion already on it?
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Gregg Bolinger wrote: do I now have to buy a HD from Apple with Lion already on it?

I'm sure that Apple would love you to buy a Apple branded disk with OS-X already on it, but I don't think the market would love it. Clearly iCloud gives them the right solution, pull the OS from the cloud just like you do your music. Only problem is that initial bootstrap load, which they could do with even a Linux kernel on a flash drive.....
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Apple is clearly going to need a migration path to Lion other than updating Snow Leopard via the App Store. What that will be is anyone's guess at this point.
 
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