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Could I say "read your mail"?

Jan de Boer
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I am angry! Really angry! No, no, not at you guys.

I am on holiday. But that is not even the point. My project leader calls me, to ask what the states is of a certain problem. The thing is, .... multiple.

First the project is small, so I cannot imagine the project leader has that much on his mind.
Second I have cc-ed him in my emails the last two weeks about everything he needs to know.
Third I wrote everything I did in Bugzilla.
Fourth I wrote everything I did in subversion source code management.
Fifth I wrote everything I did in the weekly hour management program or how you call it.

Still I have to explain him what I did, since he is too lazy to read. And oh yeah sixth, he does not really administer the things he does too good himself.

I wanted to say: 'Read your ... mail'!

And no my irritation is not that he called me during my holiday, the irritation is that he asks for information he already hás, just because he is too lazy to read! What should I do with this person...

:-(
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Maybe: "It's going well. I'm on holiday and I don't have network access, so I don't have access to the information I'd need to give you any specifics. You could look at X, Y, and Z to get all the information in detail."


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Jan de Boer
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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:Maybe: "It's going well. I'm on holiday and I don't have network access, so I don't have access to the information I'd need to give you any specifics. You could look at X, Y, and Z to get all the information in detail."


Yes....

Well that is what I did more or less. I wrote, in an email after checking my administration, something like, translated in English:

"Did you check your email, bugzilla, source save? You can rely on me having this up to date, and I register all my activities. But in summery it is...."

With a little one implicit under the belt, ... you don't, I know. But I am sorry I abuse you, javaranch, for letting out my frustration on this. By the way I do have network access. I am at home, on the balcony, not travelling.
Maneesh Godbole
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Once I worked under a similar project manager. Every tuesday, we used to have synch calls with the US team. Every monday evening, all the teams used to send in their status updates via email, which this gentleman never read. 15 minutes before the meeting he would approach you and ask for the updates. Eventually we figured out we could turn the tables by
1) Taking a coffee break 16 minutes before the meeting
2) Provide verbal mis-information and later claim innocently "there must be some miscommunication. I never said that. Did't you read the status report? It's all there".


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Jeanne Boyarsky
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While I would never provide mis-information, I do think you have to do something. I tend to be more aggressive about it. In other words, I'll talk to my manager. I also make sure everyone knows before I go on vacation that I don't want to be contacted unless the sky is falling. (And even if then, that the people who are *not* on vacation can't help.) I make sure everyone - management, backups, peers is up to date and recognizes that fact.

I haven't gotten called for a routine thing/status in many years. Production problem, yes. Something that could be avoided, no.

If someone did call me when I was out for something unimportant or that could be looked up, I'd use my next day in the office to explain that my time is important to me and how the status was documented for his/her convenience. Then I'd ask what format he wants this information in for next time so I don't get called. It's possible he is suffering from information overload and just can't find the information. I have a colleague that I am backup for that I schedule a half hour meeting with before he goes away for a week or more. We have very different organizational systems and I know that I'll miss something important if we don't meet. He spends 30 minutes (really 60 - we do this on his return to) with me for each vacation. However, he knows I won't call him and things will be taken care of while out.


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Jan de Boer
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Ah, the difference is also 'cultural'. Though I don't mean 'country cultural', we are both from the Netherlands. But he likes to exchange information verbal, does not like to register anything, does not take notes during meetings. The meetings hardly have any notes here. All should come from 'informal get-to-gathers', corridor talk, lunch talk. I on the other hand like to note things I do, to remember them later. And register things so I don't have to repeat myself, also that the department discussions don't repeat themselves. To make it worse, I don't really get into this informal social meetings, since I just want to get the job done, consequently at home I have time for other things. Again, it's not really the during vacation fact that irritates me, it's 'the inefficient bla bla' at work, and being bothered at hóme as a consequence of the 'inefficientness'....

Ok don't worry I survive! I just exploded Friday for a moment.
Jan Cumps
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Jan de Boer wrote: To make it worse, I don't really get into this informal social meetings,...

You should.


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Jan de Boer
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Can you please explain why, apart from it's better for your career? The latter I know.

I am leaving this company anyway as soon as the economy is better and 'resume wise' it's acceptable. Meanwhile I just try to do my job as good as I can and learn as much as I can. I've given up on this job, the people don't work like I do, they like things I don't and the other way around. I should just leave without career damage, that's all. But technically I manage here, don't worry!
Jan Cumps
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Jan de Boer wrote:Can you please explain why, apart from it's better for your career? The latter I know.

I am leaving this company anyway as soon as the economy is better and 'resume wise' it's acceptable. Meanwhile I just try to do my job as good as I can and learn as much as I can. I've given up on this job, the people don't work like I do, they like things I don't and the other way around. I should just leave without career damage, that's all. But technically I manage here, don't worry!


Yes, because it's better for your career.
All the other info about you leaving was unknown to me
Jan de Boer
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Jan Cumps wrote:All the other info about you leaving was unknown to me


Of course, I decided that a few weeks ago, not when I wrote the original message, but a few weeks after. It's not just the above matter about calling me in my holiday, it's a profound difference in character and culture. I know that I shóuld join the informal get-togethers, but... I just don't like them! They like cars and mobile phones, I like sports and science. They put the airco on, I put it off. They eat hamburgers, I am fanatic about health food. Et cetera, etcetera.

But everybody is very happy with my work here, so I am ok!
Daniel Doboseru
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I think in a team like this, is not really about having the same tastes, directions, hobbies as long as your work is appreciated, co-workers respect you and your efforts. Of course, if it is a permanent working environment a close bonding might be a good idea, but for a project based job, it is ok just to get the job done in decent conditions.
Jan de Boer
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I agree Daniel. But it is not a project, it is a permanent working environment. I won't leave tomorrow, but when my project is finished, I will politely leave for another challenge.

Also, I don't care that much that I do not have much in common with them. But they are more trying to get me in the group. But even if they do, I just don't like what they like. Nothing can change that. I got here today, Monday. I did things like went to the football, jogged in the woods, I can tell them about that, but I know nothing is being done with the information, since the don't care about that. Then it's just not fun telling about it. They won't do anything with what I say anyway. Visa versa goes for the other man his hobbies: I am not interested in his computer LEGO stuff. I try to act like I am interested but I am not.

Ah, but really..., don't worry about me, I am ok. My work is good, it's ok to work here a year more or so.
Randall Twede
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i would just shoot him and get it over with


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Pat Farrell
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Randall Twede wrote:i would just shoot him and get it over with

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Daniel Doboseru
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^Jan: I like your thinking ;) I would take you in my implementation team right now. You would fit perfectly.
 
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