The ~ operator does not give you a two’s complement. It simply inverts every bit. It is similar to one’s complement. So 0000_0000 turns into 1111_1111, which is exactly what you have shown.

In Java's representation (which uses two's complement), yes.

The mind is a strange and wonderful thing. I'm not sure that it will ever be able to figure itself out, everything else, maybe. From the atom to the universe, everything, except itself.

So in java 2's complement for 0 is 11111111 which is -1. Agreed.
But if you calculate 2's complement it comes out to be 00000000. Correct me if I'm wrong from my first post.

Pranav Raulkar wrote:So in java 2's complement for 0 is 11111111 which is -1. Agreed.

WRONG.

~0 is NOT two's compliment, it simply flips every '0' bit to '1', and every '1' bit to '0'.

In Java, 2's compliment for 0 is 0. In fact, in ANY language, 2's compliment of 0 is 0, as 2's compliment is an algorithm, not a language specific feature.

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Pranav Raulkar wrote:So in java 2's complement for 0 is 11111111 which is -1. Agreed.

No. Not at all. I think you have misunderstood two’s complement arithmetic. The two’s complement representation of 0 is 0000_0000 (in 8 bits). The two’s complement of 0 is not 1111_1111. Never.

This is how two’s complement numbers are worked out:

You work out the range of numbers available: for 8 bits that is 256

You allow exactly half that range for negative numbers: -1 to -128 inclusive.

You allow exactly the other half of the range for non-negative numbers: 0 to 127 inclusive.

For non-negative numbers, use exactly the same format as for unsigned numbers, 0000_0000 to 0111_1111 inclusive.

For negative numbers, subtract the absolute value from the size of the range.

You can work out the two’s complement value of a negative number by subtracting its absolute value from the size of the whole range.

For example: the two’s complement representation of -97 is the same as the unsigned representation of 256 - 97, or 1_0000_0000 - 0110_0001

That is how complementary numbers are really defined.
If you try that calculation, you get this for -97:
1_0000_0000
0110_0001-
1001_1111 There are at least two other ways you can think of a two’s complement number (still in 8 bits):
One way: The leftmost bit (no 7) represents -2^7 (-128)or 0, the next bit represents (+)64 or 0, then (+)32 or 0, etc until the rightmost bit (the 0-th bit) represents (+)1 or 0. So 1001_1111 means -128 + 0 + 0 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = -97.

The other way is to remember that 256 - 97 = 256 - 1 - 97 + 1. The -1 and +1 cancel out, but look good in binary.
256 - 1 looks like this:
1_0000_0000
0000_0001-
1111_1111 . . . 255 in unsigned numbers.

Now you can subtract 97 from 255
1111_1111
0110_0001-
1001_1110

Now you add 1 again
1001_1110
0000_0001+
1001_1111 . . . and lo and behold, we have -97

Did you notice that subtracting from 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 is the same as swapping all the bits? So, you can get something identical to two’s complement by swapping all the bits and adding 1. If you try complementing 0 to -1 and adding 1, you get 0. Try it

But if you calculate 2's complement it comes out to be 00000000. Correct me if I'm wrong from my first post.

No, you are not calculating a two’s complement at all. What you are doing is taking the bit pattern, eg 0110_0001 for 97 and 0000_0000 for 0 (in 8 bits) and getting the complement of that bit pattern. That is equal to -(i + 1). As you saw above, 97 turns into -98 and 0 turns into -1.

In two's-complement, there is only one zero (00000000). Negating a number (whether negative or positive) is done by inverting all the bits and then adding 1 to that result.

Can you put up a claculation just like you did for -97 for complement of zero?

Note: There is a difference between the "complement" and the "two's compliment". I assume you want the latter.

0 is

0000 0000 0000 0000 (i'm only going to use 16 bits, but it works the same for 32, or 64 or however many bits you want)

invert all the bits, you get

1111 1111 1111 1111

add 1:

but that left-most 1 doesn't fit. We run out of bits, so it falls off the end, leaving us with

0000 0000 0000 0000

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Pranav Raulkar wrote: . . . Can you put up a claculation just like you did for -97 for complement of zero?

Fred has already done that, only for 16 bits. It is exactly the same, but occupies more space on the screen.
The wikipedia article about two’s complement is slightly imprecise. Two’s complement is made by subtracting from 2^i where i is the number of available bits. Inverting each bit and adding one is not how it is defined, but always gives the same result, provided the numbers are within the range -2^(i - 1)...2^(i - 1) - 1.

Agreed! Complement and 2's complement are different.
If we do complement of 0 its 11111111 which is 255.
since ~ is complement operator ~0 should give me 255. Why -1? If its giving me -1 it means ~ is 2's complement.
But we all know 2's complement for 0 is 00000000 (Carry over 1 is discarded)

To determine the value, you have to do the following:

look at the left most bit. If it is a zero (it our case it isn't), you simply add up the powers of 2 that correspond to the 1's, and the value is positive.

if the left-most bit IS a 1, your result will be negative. next, take the 2's complement of the number. So, we flip all the bits, and add 1. so it becomes

1111_1111 is only 255 in unsigned binary numbers. It is meaningless to say something like “1010_1010 means xyz”, without saying what format you are using, and what memory size. There are at least four formats for binary integers, possibly five if you include one’s complement. In two’s complement in eight bits, 1111_1111 means -1decimal.

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I have already told you, and I think Fred has too, that the ~ operator does not produce the two’s complement. It returns the bit pattern inverted, which is more akin to one’s complement. So you get the one’s complement of 0 which in two’s complement returns -1decimal. Remember you had to add 1 to ~97 to get -97.

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0000_0000 Flip the bits. What the ~ operator does, giving the result on the next line.
1111_1111 That returns -1decimal, but to get that into two’s complement, add 1, and the 8th bit vanishes into cyber-limbo never to be seen again.

1_0000_0000 Now we get back to 0. But that isn’t what the ~ operator does. It only does what you saw one line up.