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Dave Williams
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I wish to take the OCAJ SE 7 and I don't know which book (except the one that hasn't been released) goes with it. How are people currently studying for it? Is there a study guide for the SE 5/6 exam and how are people currently studying for that exam?
Cameron Wallace McKenzie
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The exam only went live a few weeks ago, so there are no Java 7 books out yet. I'm updating mine, and I know Robert is updating his. I'm hoping for a release in the next two months.

The exam isn't overly heavy on the new Java 7 features. The existing books for Java 6 are probably the best resource right now. Then just study some of the new features that might be different for this OCAJP 7 exam such as the ability to use a String in a switch statement. Study some extra Exceptions information because that wasn't on the last exam. Do lots of mock exam questions and you'll be laughing all the way to your cert.

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Dave Williams
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Ok thanks, just for clarification though:

SCJA study material ~ OCAJ study material?

Also where can I get a better syllabus than the "examination topics" that oracle has on it's site? I've done a fair bit of Java before and I might be ready for the exam before some of these SE 7 books come out.
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You might want to check out Mock Exams for this certification from Enthuware. Every question has an explanation, so if you have some experience in Java programming, you may not necessarily need a certification specific book It is available for 9.95$ for a limited time!


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Dave Williams
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Its been a few years since I did JAVA, so I'd still need a study guide just to be on the safe side.
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Dave Williams wrote:Its been a few years since I did JAVA, so I'd still need a study guide just to be on the safe side.

Not to steer you away from any book (none are available as of now anyway) but you might want to take a mock exam and see how you score and how comfortable you feel while attempting the questions. In terms of the level of the questions, this exam isn't too difficult. But since there are 90 questions to be answered, you need practice to sit through 2.5 hrs and answer these many questions. It is debilitating, really
Dave Williams
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I just finished a degree in maths, I know what hours and hours of exams feel like! :P I did 2 years of computing courses (as part of my degree) which included Java, C, C++ and some algorithms and data structures stuff. So even though I know what the subject matter is, I don't know the details of what is expected of me in the exam. I really don't want to sit around for two/three months waiting for the book to come out either, so I just want a study guide that is approximate to what the exam is so I can get started ASAP.

I presume that the SCJA guides will be good enough (given I use other resources to study the SE7 differneces)?
Tina Smith
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Use the SCJP/OCJP resources, not the SCJA ones. Oracle upped the level of their OCJA certification with Java 7 so it now corresponds more closely to the OCJP Java 6.

You'll find a lot of references that the OCJP6 exam you have to pay close attention to the questions (ie is there a ; at the end of every line), I didn't find this to be the case for the OCJA. They're more concerned with "what will this do" or "is this legal" or "what goes here". But you still have to watch and carefully read the questions.


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Bert Bates
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K&B for the SCJP 6 exam is a superset of what you need for the OCA 7 exam. This link describes the chapters from K&B that you could use to prepare for the OCA 7:

http://www.coderanch.com/t/570259/java-SCJA/certification/Java-OCA

So the disadvantage of K&B 6 is that you're buying some chapters that you don't need for the exam. (Although those chapters ARE a part of the OCP 7 exam.)
The advantage of K&B 6 is that it's available now.

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Robert James Liguori
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I'm working on the OCAJP7 book right now... http://www.amazon.com/Associate-Study-Guide-Oracle-Press/dp/0071789421/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333320006&sr=8-1.

'should be a good resource for you. If you have any questions, please ask.

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Yusuf Gandhi Putra
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Hi all,

I also want to take the OCA exam in 1-2 months from now. I got the promotion from javaranch.com milis to join http://www.LearnNowJava.com/Default.aspx?src=RN1031J.

Have anyone joined this course? Is it worth it (US$ 99.99 / year subscription)?

Any advice will be highly appreciated.
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Hi Yusuf,

The link you provided looks to be ok-ish, but a little bit dated, general Java training. For the purposes of this forum, which is specifically about Java certification, make sure that whatever training material you find is for the same exam and version that you're focusing on.

The link you provided does NOT seem to be focused on certification exams.

hth,

Bert
Yusuf Gandhi Putra
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Hi Bert,

Thank you for your prompt advice!

So, any other affordable preparation for OCA cert exam that you can suggest? I personally prefer online class, since I'm from Indonesia, and Java OCA preparation books are scarce.

Thanks for your kind advice!

Yusuf
Bert Bates
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Well one idea would be to find older exam cert's for the SCJP 6 exam, compare the old SCJP 6 objectives to the new OCA 7 objectives, and focus your studies on those topics that overlap. The new OCA objectives are about 95% covered by the older, related SCJP 6 objectives. For instance, both exams test on operators, loops, arrays, and overloading (there are lots more examples). So an exam cert on SCJP 6 operators would prepare you for OCA 7 operators.

Does that make sense?

Bert
Yusuf Gandhi Putra
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Hi Bert,

Yes, it does make sense. So, in conclusion, SCJP 6 (+5% stuff uncovered in the test) equals to OCA 7? Am I correct?

One more thing, do you know http://www.epractizelabs.com? Are they recommended? They sell a preparation for OCA 7.

Advice from others are welcome also.

Thanks,
yusuf
Neelima Sampath
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Hi all,

As Yusuf mentioned can anyone who have taken these tell whether the mock tests from epractizelabs are good? And also are any books for OCAJ7 out in the market(especially the K&B) yet?

Regards
Neelima
Bert Bates
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Ok, this is almost, but not quite, correct...

If you map the OCA 7 objectives to the SCJP 6 objectives, you'll find that some line up and some don't. If you focus your studies on the objectives that match up, then you'll be at the 95% level.

If you want to take a stab at comparing the two and showing your comparison list here, I would vet it and it would help everyone out
jhon marshall
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What Bert Bates says is absolutly right. If you study SCJP 6 book(K&B) you will cover 95% of the exam objectives. Look on the objectives and study Java SE 7 new features like switch statement with String, try with resources, etc.

I prepared for SCJP 6 and finally i decided to go for OCP 7 due to mandaotry pre-requiste i am preparing for OCA 7.

I am using the training kit from epractizelabs and it is good in terms of product navigation and mock exam. I will post more about this product after completing my exam.

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Bert Bates wrote:If you want to take a stab at comparing the two and showing your comparison list here, I would vet it and it would help everyone out

I couldn't find anything that compared the two directly so I took a stab at it. Here it is.


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