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Training Location for Online Live-Web Classes

saleem bellary
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Joined: Jan 08, 2008
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Hi,

I see different prices for different countries for Live Virtual Class for the mandatory training.
what if i purchase from less price country and connect to the Live Virtual from other country.

Please guide.
bell saleem
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Joined: Jul 20, 2008
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Anyone please let me know if they have taken live web classes
rahul karnani
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Joined: Mar 11, 2012
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Saleem,

All training classes no matter LVC or Classroom training are waste and useless please do not take any of them
Rajeev Rnair
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I agree, no body really wants to take the classes, but people are FORCED to take these classes as part of mandatory training requirement.

I work in US and any course here is $2250 to start with and you have to waste 5 working days. In effect, you will loose 5 days of leave / pay in addition to the course fee of $2250. You do the math

In India some courses are only IRs 30,000 which comes around $600 only. I checked with Oracle and they said I can take classes in India when I go on vacation. It means courses taken anywhere in the world are valid and will count to OCMJEA / OCMJD certifications. While searching I came across a course something like "J2SE 6 Programming" which is listed as a common course for OCMJD and OCMJEA. Which means if you take this course, or any other common courses which are in the Oracle approved list of courses, you can fulfill the requirements for OCMJEA or OCMJD exams.

I am going to India in June and planning to take this course (LVC) Live virtual course. Actually I don't really care whether it is live class room training or LVC class. Just want to take it for the sake of taking it and get it over and I am pretty sure I won't learn anything new from it. Should have done both these exams before the dead line last year, but I was very busy with the work projects at that time and missed the boat. Now this is the only option remaining!

For some reason or other, even if you CANNOT do the course, you can still appear for other parts of the exam and Oracle will evaluate and say 'pass' or 'fail'. You won't get the final certificate, but you can STILL put in your cv that you have completed all parts of OCMJEA or OCMJD

Good luck to all ....

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Andrew Monkhouse
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rahul karnani wrote:All training classes no matter LVC or Classroom training are waste and useless please do not take any of them


Wow, that is a huge, all-encompassing, statement. Taken logically, this is saying that universities, high schools, .... - are all useless. You might want to reconsider that position.

If you are stating as absolute fact that the Oracle training is useless, then we would love to hear the evidence for this fact. It would certainly help those considering these courses.


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Sharma Ashutosh
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I have a suggestion - why don't Oracle make the training mandatory for those who fails in the first attempt? Rather than offering retake voucher - just let everybody have one attempt only and who ever fails in any of the parts - should be asked for mandatory training before the retake.

All the trainings and education are valuable - but something which is enforced may be people won't like and that too when it is expensive.

TOGAF9 doesn't have mandatory training - only candidates who want to go for it are doing that. PMP also has a required training but it almost 1/6 th of the cost of the actual certification and that too not from PMI.

This mandatory training is going to make SCEA un popular.


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Sharma Ashutosh
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I work in US and any course here is $2250 to start with and you have to waste 5 working days. In effect, you will loose 5 days of leave / pay in addition to the course fee of $2250. You do the math

In India some courses are only IRs 30,000 which comes around $600 only. I checked with Oracle and they said I can take classes in India when I go on vacation. It means courses taken anywhere in the world are valid and will count to OCMJEA / OCMJD certifications. While searching I came across a course something like "J2SE 6 Programming" which is listed as a common course for OCMJD and OCMJEA. Which means if you take this course, or any other common courses which are in the Oracle approved list of courses, you can fulfill the requirements for OCMJEA or OCMJD exams.


This is going to cause a lot of difference in terms of which part of the world one lives? I worked in the company working on the offshore/onsite model and i have seen people at offshore have access to all sort of trainings, books and certifications while for even a single such thing in US/Europe - it's so hard to convince the upper management. For the people at the same role, experience and skill sets - everything is very much accessible at offshore(India) and not at all accessible in US/Europe. This is causing a lot of divide among the offshore and onsite employees of the same company.

Rajeev you didn't calculated your air fare in the training cost at India
Rajeev Rnair
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that is right Sharma, all the training / exam fee's are way different in different countries. For example, most Java exams costs only IRs 5000 (US $100) in India, where as it costs $300 here. Anyways my vacation is an already planned one, then I thought why not do the Training course also So I clubbed the training with vacation. And the timings are mostly night time in India (daytime US). With the jet lag and all it should be fine!
Sharma Ashutosh
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Good planning...best of luck...others should follow you to minimize the costs
saleem bellary
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Thanks All for the replies and your support. I was busy with some release so couldn't reply quickly.

I hope I have not highlighted my question well.

Well, I am an Indian and I work in a middle east country.

Can I purchase the Live Web Class Course from here for the Indian Time and take it online from here for Indian Timings. so that I can save money.

Thanks in Advance.
rahul karnani
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Joined: Mar 11, 2012
Posts: 11
Hi Andrew and other folks,

I am deeply apologise for my comment.
But infact in this economy how someone can afford the training like Java 7 features etc starts from $2500 ?
Even the big companies like Amazon, Google etc can not do reimbursement for these training.
Though person who is preparing for architect must having at least technical skills that he can learn those things by himself otherwise what is point becoming Java Architect ?
I do not have money to take the training , so I am taking only Part -1 (multiple choice), Part-2 (assignment )and Part -3 (essay) .

But same time I have no right to make comment on LVC




Sharma Ashutosh
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Rajeev,
Do refer to this thread:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/579197/java-Architect-SCEA/certification/popular-SCEA-OCMJEA-now#2641373
It seems virtual class room training doesn't suffice mandatory training requirements. I had a word with Oracle Education Support via chat regarding this.
Rajeev Rnair
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Sharma Ashutosh wrote:Rajeev,
Do refer to this thread:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/579197/java-Architect-SCEA/certification/popular-SCEA-OCMJEA-now#2641373
It seems virtual class room training doesn't suffice mandatory training requirements. I had a word with Oracle Education Support via chat regarding this.


Hi Sharma,
see below from Oracle web site. It says LVC and instructor led courses are fine
Candidates must complete one of the instructor-led in-class, online , or recorded courses below (includes Live Web Classes – LWC,Live Virtual classes – LVC and Training On-Demand course) to obtain this certification. Self-Study CDs are excellent study and reference tools but DO NOT meet the course requirement for certification.


I also have email confirmation from Oracle. I am taking LVC in India because they don't have any instructor led courses (for the one I am planning) in our area at that time and the Oracle guy only advised me to take LVC
More over the prices for LVC and instructor led courses are same - at least here in US
The self study CD ROMS's are cheaper, but does NOT meet the mandatory course requirement

hope this helps.
Sharma Ashutosh
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Anyway what is this LVC-Live Virtual Class?
Rajeev Rnair
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Sharma Ashutosh wrote:Anyway what is this LVC-Live Virtual Class?


explained here from Oracle http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=233&p_org_id=378219&lang=PTB
Oracle University’s Live Virtual Class is comparable to our traditional in - class training without the need for expensive travel. With the latest in collaborative technology, top instructors, cutting-edge curriculum, and hands-on labs, we offer an exciting combination of traditional content and interactive learning.

live virtual class


Same expert instructors as our classroom training
Same content - enhanced for online delivery
Save time and money by avoiding expensive travel
Efficient training for coworkers across multiple locations
Classes available both day and night
Train at home, office, or anywhere you have an Internet connection
Lab access for full duration of class
100% Student Satisfaction Program
 
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