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Mandar Khire
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Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 492

I created 3 topics in different sections of java forum, many days i wait for someone give me answer or hint...

http://www.coderanch.com/t/580725/ORM/java/questions-Hibernate-Swing

http://www.coderanch.com/t/579744/JDBC/java/jdbc-swing-old-wine-new

http://www.coderanch.com/t/573169/GUI/java/questions-JPanel

Same time i read so many similar conditions posts from many users...why...our approach is wrong or something else...
I know people invest their time to solve my problem/question/query...but it also help ful to study new things (if topic is new, not asked before)...


Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton asked why.
Martin Vajsar
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Joined: Aug 22, 2010
Posts: 3606
    
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Hi Mandar,

I'm sorry your questions were not answered. However, the Ranch is just a forum where users meet and help each other voluntarily. No one is obliged to answer any question, including the staff, and though we'd generally like all meaningful questions to be answered, it is not possible to make that happen always. Unfortunately, there are always some questions that go unanswered.

I had a look at your posts to find out what the problem might be. I'll try to tell you why I think they go unanswered, but in any case, this is just my opinion, others might have a different view.

1) Your description of your application is very abstract. You're moving rectangles over a screen and storing the coordinates into the database. I personally struggle to see what such and application would be used for. Not being able to understand it makes it harder for me to offer solutions and alternatives, since I'm not sure they would be useful in your context. Are you doing it just for learning purposes, or is there some deeper meaning behind the rectangles and their positions on screen?

2) I've seen your question in the JDBC forum, which I'm interested in. You've posted a very long code. Very probably, the code could be shortened (and, to my taste, better formatted too, but this is subjective) and still exhibit the problem you're encountering. Very probably, in the process of shortening the code you could be able to identify the problem yourselves. By posting a long code, you sort of indicates you haven't done your best to tackle the problem yourself, and this makes many people less willing to answer. These principles are better described at this page: Short, Self Contained, Correct (Compilable), Example (SSCCE), which I sincerely suggest you to read.

3) Some of your questions have been answered. Sometimes, when people see that conversation in a thread is already going, they do not jump in, especially if the topic is complicated and the involved parties have clearly already invested some time into understanding it. I usually try to follow the conversation I've participated in until it is resolved, and I believe most other users do so too, but it is not always possible, as we all have our lives, daily jobs and other responsibilities. It can sometimes happen that a conversation dies off because of this reason. When that happens, I'd suggest to wait a few days and then post a new question (new topic), taking into account all the progress that was already made. It is possible that the problem is now a bit different and people other from the original participants might be interested in answering.

In particular, I think this post of yours is a new question and I've split it off into a new topic so that others might notice it.

4) I don't visit the ORM forum, but I've read your question there. It sort of seems as if you were thinking aloud, especially because of the usage of ellipsis (...). This works well in brainstorming sessions, but I believe that in a forum you'd get better response if you tried to express yourself in a more clear and focused way. I'd have to read quite long paragraphs - and be reasonably sure I've got them right - to be able to answer the question whether your idea is sound. However, this point is probably very subjective and other people might have different opinion on this.

And I'd still struggle to understand the purpose of the application - see my first point - so I couldn't say whether other types of application do the same. I don't know what type of application it is.


It is true that to ask a question in a good way is a hard task. I've tried several times to ask a question in a really, really good way, and it took me several hours to research and prepare everything (especially the SSCCE) and describe the problem and formulate the questions clearly. The upside is that this effort actually helped me a lot. I've found a solution several times while doing this, and even when I didn't, it helped me to thing about the issue myself from different angles and also to practice describing a problem to a stranger.

I really don't want to put you down with all this. Please take it as friendly suggestions how to ask questions better. The PatienceIsAVirtue (⇐ click) page might highlight other reasons why questions may go unanswered in a forum.
Mandar Khire
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 492

Thanks Martin Vajsar, to read my all topics & give me proper way to express/think/elaborate my own questions...
Please take it as friendly suggestions how to ask questions better.

Yes, i know this forum never let down peoples moral...
I sincerely suggest you to read.

I surely again read those two website...might be i forgot or not following these two...i should rethink about it for better next time.

Are you doing it just for learning purposes, or is there some deeper meaning behind the rectangles and their positions on screen?

I am doing this because 2 different purpose...(1st of all these are not rectangles...those are jpanels(it JContainer))
1. I just join development firm as trainee, they ask me question regarding this possibility...if i do possible it, then might be it useful for real deeper meaningful things...(currently its not really any deeper meaning)
I search google/forums/books/etc i got people try to implement Drag & drop facility to jcomponent not for jcontainer...but as per my thaught if we really try to use max possibilities of those thoughts then it should be jcontainer.

So i started from basics then i reach at point where i stuck with SQL queries with JDBC. Then after some clues i go forward with my idea now after studding few things/books/forum/etc i try to go with same idea but with Hibernate...but still my basics are weak due to my main program is not flawless.
Currently i have basic program which has array of jpanels within jpanel which has facility of draggable & drop anywhere within jpanel which holds them.

2. By trying to doing this all, i read lots of topics which i forgot after move forward in studies or topics which never think/read,by that my views are getting broader about use of java...
but I believe that in a forum you'd get better response if you tried to express yourself in a more clear and focused way.

i really try this...
And I'd still struggle to understand the purpose of the application...

It quite possible because i also firstly feel same...but when program became flawless then surely it quite useful for many ways.
Wendy Gibbons
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Joined: Oct 21, 2008
Posts: 1107

I answer questions in my complie times, your questions were just to long for me to be able to begin to read.
fred rosenberger
lowercase baba
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Joined: Oct 02, 2003
Posts: 11167
    
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my PERSONAL opinion is that if there is more than about 30 lines of code, I skip over the post and don't even try.

My rational: I can spend a hour trying to figure out your 400 lines and maybe (maybe not) help you (one person), or I can spend 5-10 minutes on each of 5-10 other people and maybe (and again, maybe not) help up to 10.

I'd much rather help 10 people with my hour than one.


There are only two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors
Mandar Khire
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 492

Thanks, fred rosenberger
I'd much rather help 10 people with my hour than one.

I got it...very much clear where i lacking.
Henry Wong
author
Sheriff

Joined: Sep 28, 2004
Posts: 18545
    
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Also, this applies....

http://www.coderanch.com/how-to/java/ShowSomeEffort

I have seen large (relatively) code being posted, but it is obvious that the OP did a lot of work (probably writting that code just for the ranch) -- as such, I don't have an issue with spending time on it. If the OP spent that much time on doing a test application, just to show everything, I can spend some time on it too.

Henry


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Mandar Khire
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 492

Thanks Henry Wong,

I have seen large (relatively) code being posted, but it is obvious that the OP did a lot of work (probably writting that code just for the ranch) -- as such, I don't have an issue with spending time on it. If the OP spent that much time on doing a test application, just to show everything, I can spend some time on it too.


I always to be satisfy this condition before posting any question or reply, but when thoughts are get stop at particular point then decide to post question...
Posting question in forum is last option...
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
 
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