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Bob Farris
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Joined: May 15, 2012
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I’m unemployed, so I’m looking for other unemployed people for an educational software project, either something like Matlab, or perhaps something geared towards a younger audience: http://www.softwareforkids.com/children-software/math.html

I have tried to look for work, but it's too hard. I am a good programmer, but I don't have a degree and I never got any job experience. I've just done projects of my own, mostly unsuccessful either because I don't have artistic skills, or because I don't know how to market something, or because I'm just trying to do something too hard. So instead of trying to find a job I decided to try to find other unemployed people, someone with experience in teaching might be a good idea and someone with experience in programming, the later just because I don't wanna be alone. Also I had no idea how to market software, but I'm beginning to get the picture Amazon, softwareforkids and so on. Someone who has some artistical talent or something like that would be necessary.

How can I find all these people, and how can I find the right people? Where are all the unemployed people? Should I post job posts? But it's not exactly a job, what I'm looking for is people who want to work on their free time, like me, and share any profit equally.
Luke Kolin
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Joined: Sep 04, 2002
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Bob Farris wrote:I have tried to look for work, but it's too hard.


It is much, much easier than doing what you propose.

I am a good programmer, but I don't have a degree and I never got any job experience.


You can't get an entry-level position somewhere, or an internship?

Cheers!

Luke
arulk pillai
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It is a competitive world and there are many others with similar skills. It really pays to improve on your job hunting skills as well. This includes writing effective resumes, good interview skills, networking, etc. Good luck.


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Deepak Bala
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How can I find all these people, and how can I find the right people? Where are all the unemployed people? Should I post job posts? But it's not exactly a job, what I'm looking for is people who want to work on their free time, like me, and share any profit equally.


I think that is hard to do. By your own admission you have trouble marketing products. How then can you make something like this on your own and market it efficiently to earn profit ? Finding programmers that think like you is equally challenging. Why would someone work for free without a contract and expect money out of a job like this ? It will be hard to convince someone to do this.

The points I raised were not to discourage you. They are things to think about. Freelancing might be a better way to get some money into your pocket. If you are still trying to attract those programmers, you can always post in the jobs offered section of this forum and mention that the pay is not upfront and depends on the sales that the product will make. Craigslist has similar posts, but I dont think many programmers would bite.


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Bob Farris
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Joined: May 15, 2012
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I didn't say without a contract, but yeah I know it's hard to find people. I've almost completed my LALR(1) parser generator, I only stopped working on it because I was depressed and started doubting whether it was the right track towards revenue. I'll finish it and make a simplistic parser, upload it to my blog, and maybe then. But while I'm working, it might still take a day or two, I wonder if that would increase my chances of getting people who are interested in the project? See now I'm starting to doubt again.
William P O'Sullivan
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Post the dot.com bomb then 9/11 I was out of the workplace for a while.

In that time I self-educated myself in many technologies. Did a ton of mock interview questions etc.

And I wrote a game!

You need to look at what has been done, twitter, instagram, angry birds etc.. and figure out what has NOT been done!

For funding etc., the name escapes me but there is an online almost venture capital source.. damn it..

Anyway, I have a few ideas that I'd like to get working on, and escape the rat race.

Good luck,

WP
Bob Farris
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William P O'Sullivan wrote:Post the dot.com bomb then 9/11 I was out of the workplace for a while.

For funding etc., the name escapes me but there is an online almost venture capital source.. damn it..

WP


Do you mean kickstarter?

I just figured out where to find tons of cheap artists, or rather I googled and found some information: deviantart and newgrounds. I actually new about deviant art before, I spend a lot of time on that site, but I didn't remember/realize that it would be a good place to find artists.

But I wonder, is it easy to find serious people out there? So far I've contacted about a dozen people and written some forum posts looking for people, and the two people so far who've been interested in my idea have seemed immature and crazy. One of them wanted me to join some money making scheme where you post posts and make thousands of dollars each month, and the other suggested that ignoring obvious flaws in a stupid idea he had that he wanted me to do with him was somehow negative or something. My point is 2 out of 2 people who've been interested so far were crazy/immature, am I attracting the wrong people here? Why isn't any people I contact even answering my emails.

I'm doing things in the wrong way, I'm certain of that. And I really don't wanna waste time on making a Matlab clone since there already is a freeware Matlab clone out there that looks quite spiffy. So I should be doing something more akin to the things you see on softwareforkids.com, seems like I'm looking for someone who knows pedagogy, someone who knows art, someone who knows how to make interactive kids stories. I think I'm incoherent or something, oh well, I always admired "special" people, time to become one (*snapping*)

But wait a moment, the internet is huge, could it really be that I'm the only unemployed guy who's looking for other unemployed people in order to do a product together? Thanks for the responses so far btw, I appreciate them. Wait, I just realized something, whenever I hear about other people's "good ideas" I figure they're just naïve (how many words are there in our language with an ï in it?) and I disregard them.


Oh, and one more thing that I havn't figured out yet, does anyone know of a place where I can chat with people who make books for kids?
Luke Kolin
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Bob Farris wrote:But I wonder, is it easy to find serious people out there? So far I've contacted about a dozen people and written some forum posts looking for people, and the two people so far who've been interested in my idea have seemed immature and crazy.


The easiest way to find serious people is to have experience and credibility in the area you want to enter. The former gives you contacts with good people or at least people who know of good people. The latter means those good people return your phone calls.

Going into business is difficult and risky. In my career, I've worked with a lot of people. Most I wouldn't care to work with again, and of the remainder there's a very small list of people that I would go into business with. It requires a special combination of competence, trust and compatibility, not unlike a marriage. There are many people you'd hang out with, few you'd be close friends with and very few you would consider marrying. If you look for a spouse on an anonymous internet message board, I suspect your odds for success will be similarly low.

Ask yourself what qualifications you have that would attract a serious and experienced artist, software developer, or sales person to work with you. Do you have a background in education and understand children's learning styles? Are you an experienced software developer who has worked on other educational titles and want to open your own shop? What gives an individual first meeting you the impression that you are likely to succeed, and have knowledge and skills critical to that success? You need to give yourself honest answers to those questions, and if you can't provide a compelling case then you should assume you are on your own in the near term and proceed accordingly.

I will go back to my original comment. If you think searching for a regular job is too hard, I am puzzled why you are going down this road. It is orders of magnitude more difficult.

Cheers!

Luke
Edvins Reisons
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Any chance to see similarly minded people in your area? Incubators, meetups, startup weekends (in alphabetical order)? A search on "startup <your location>"?
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