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"One of the best things you could do is to simplify a larger application into a smaller one by reducing its process and complexity - Fowler"
Aniruddh Joshi wrote:Forget the experience and move on
Jan de Boer wrote:There are these headhunters, they find my CV on LinkedIn for example. I do not need a job. My daughter is searching for months to find a job in administration though.
So I told them, ok, find my little girl a job, and I'll come along too. The headhunter was furious! Like I just tried to bribe him, or blackmail him with naked pictures of his wife and me.
Is this really that much not done? I thought it was a nice and clever idea!
Jan de Boer wrote:
Aniruddh Joshi wrote:Forget the experience and move on
Oh, I am not shocked. But I really thought this was an inventive idea! But it does not seem to work then.. I am more depressed with the little one being unemployed!
Anrd
"One of the best things you could do is to simplify a larger application into a smaller one by reducing its process and complexity - Fowler"
Henry Wong wrote: but you are certainly trying to force the hand of the hiring manager....
You might think it "clever", as in inventive, but the recruiter probably thought it was kind of a "wise guy"-ish move to make what he really wanted (getting you hired by his client) contingent upon something he had no prior interest in (getting your girl hired). Honestly, if I were the recruiter, I would find that a bit unsavory as well and would probably pass on hiring you at all.Jan de Boer wrote:I thought it was a nice and clever idea!
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Junilu Lacar wrote: I can understand how a headhunter might be fine working with a group of software developers who want to work together but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
Anrd
"One of the best things you could do is to simplify a larger application into a smaller one by reducing its process and complexity - Fowler"
Yes, even at the large multinational company I work for, that happens. One of my colleagues, who is a manager, had his wife apply for a job with another department and she got it. However, to Jeanne's point earlier, she got the job solely on the basis of her own merits, not because she was my colleague's wife. I believe my company does have a rule that says a relative can't be hired in to the same department. My colleague was a contractor before he got hired on full time. I'm sure that if he had made his acceptance of an offer for a full-time position contingent on his wife getting hired as well, his offer would have been immediately withdrawn. Maybe in other countries it's different but certainly in the US and Canada, these are the norms.Aniruddh Joshi wrote:In fact some firms are ok if your relative works in a different department but do not allow both of you to work in the same team/department.
Junilu Lacar wrote:I were the recruiter, I would find that a bit unsavory as well and would probably pass on hiring you at all.
Jan de Boer wrote:Do not forget one thing: I do not need the recruiter, the recruiter needs me. So if he passes me, I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with my daughter having so much trouble, like anyone nowadays, to get a job.
Also the recruiter was irritated with my motivation. If I would be interested, I am interested in the salary, the location, the technical content. Two of those are relatively simple parameters, of the third he has less knowledge than I. I am not interested in 'the culture of the company' and those soft skill parameters, which he thinks is important. That always is the discussion I have with these people. And then: Question: 'So you would just change jobs to help your daughter?'. Answer: 'Yes, I think she is more important than my career, and my loyalty to hér is bigger than to my current employer, so.., why not!'. Different priorities.
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