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I'm confused, is there an updated SCJA exam given by Oracle?

Robert Liguori
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YES!!!

It took a lot of figuring out, and writing a book to see what happened with the maturity/evolutions of the Sun exams...

Here's the breakdown:

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The SCJA is now the JSEA 5/6 Exam

OLD: Sun Certified Java Associate Exam (CX-310-019)
NEW: Java Standard Edition 5 and 6, Certified Associate Exam (1Z0-850)

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The OCAJ actually is not a direct evolution of the SCJA, it's the old SCJP split in half (plus 7 stuff).

OLD: Sun Certified Programmer for Java 6 Exam (CX-310-065)
NEW(a): OCA Java SE 7 Programmer I (Exam 1Z0-803)
NEW(b): OCA Java SE 7 Programmer II (Exam 1Z0-804)

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So, if you want to take the updated SCJA exam, you should target 1Z0-850 and pick up any of the SCJA study materials on the market.

You can pass this updated SCJA/JSEA exam easily with 6 months of Java experience and two months of studying.

Again, in summary, the associate test for 7 is a different model than the test for 5/6. 5/6 is based on the SCJA. 7's are based on the SCJP.

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Now i'm confused. How do you know they updated SCJA? Did an objective change or something? Because it sounds like a rename more than an upgrade without any extra information.


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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Now i'm confused. How do you know they updated SCJA? Did an objective change or something? Because it sounds like a rename more than an upgrade without any extra information.


... because I took both exams. One significance difference is removal of the UML coverage. The questions weren't what I remember from when I took the SCJA a few years back... but there is supposed to be a questions pool.

This is a good question for the exam creators. My guess is that additional questions were added, but all relative to the existing objectives. This is what I meant by update.

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Robert Liguori wrote:
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Now i'm confused. How do you know they updated SCJA? Did an objective change or something? Because it sounds like a rename more than an upgrade without any extra information.


... because I took both exams. One significance difference is removal of the UML coverage. The questions weren't what I remember from when I took the SCJA a few years back... but there is supposed to be a questions pool.

This is a good question for the exam creators. My guess is that additional questions were added, but all relative to the existing objectives. This is what I meant by update.

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Got it. So it is either an incremental upgrade or a bigger upgrade without an announcement.
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Yeah... it was a subtle upgrade though... like some of the coding questions had the enhanced for loop in it... that's new to Java SE 5.0. Nothing major.

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I have to admit that I find the amount of confusion to be confusing

Here's an example page from the Oracle website that clearly states the objectives:

http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=41&p_org_id=1001&lang=US&p_exam_id=1Z0_803#3

Just compare those to the old SCJA's objectives and the differences should be clear...


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Robert Liguori
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Bert,

Just wondering...

Why did oracle make the decision to change the ocaj test from the scja fundamentals & technologies design to the scjp-split model. That is between ocaj 5/6 and ocaj 7?

Thanks, Robert
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Hey Robert,

The old SCJA was never a popular exam, and a lot of the feedback was that it didn't go deeply enough into Java technologies.

So the new path, from OCA to OCP, allows the OCA to go more deeply into topics than the old SCJA, and that depth in the OCA allows the OCP to go more broadly into SE technologies like concurrent, NIO, and JDBC.

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