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Why not getting support to groovy

Sabarish Venkat
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I was quiet upset after i seen for a long that there are no experts to post and reply for groovy forum
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Everyone here is a volunteer. They give what time they can, where they can. If you are not getting an answer to a question you posted, ask yourself if you could have done anything to make it easier to understand the issue at hand. Read our HowToAskQuestionsOnJavaRanch FAQ for tips on how to improve any question.

And it just may be that nobody here knows the answer.


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Ulf Dittmer
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My guess would be that Groovy experts hang out elsewhere. A quick glance at the Groovy home page shows they have a mailing list; presumably that's where some of the experts can be found.


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Sabarish Venkat wrote:I was quiet upset after i seen for a long that there are no experts to post and reply for groovy forum

Huh? The last few threads I've seen you start in the Groovy forum are:

Disadvantages - Chris and Gregg posted some lengthy thoughts
Database drivers - A number of people posted and you got a resolutionqueries - There is some discussion and you solved it yourself within a day
Compile anywhere - You got an answer to a (straightforward) question on the first post.

This doesn't look like a dead forum to me. I don't understand what the problem is.


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Swetha Bhagavathula
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fred rosenberger wrote:Everyone here is a volunteer. They give what time they can, where they can. If you are not getting an answer to a question you posted, ask yourself if you could have done anything to make it easier to understand the issue at hand. Read our HowToAskQuestionsOnJavaRanch FAQ for tips on how to improve any question.

And it just may be that nobody here knows the answer.


Hai fred.. your reply seems to be adding support to any person who is waiting for his/her reply..



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Swetha Bhagavathula
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but if you don't mind my humble request is really if the experts or the moderator don't really understand the question(that is if the question is not proper),it would be fine if they they ask the person who posted the question in the forum to explain the way they are actually expecting, so that the experts can understand and help them,Javaranch is one of the best sites that I have ever seen upto now.but i request to please reply by saying atleast to be specific with their question or post the screen shot of the error or reply one or the other.. ofcourse they have to try from his/her(one who posted the question) end also. Why I am requesting this is ,I am new to use Jboss server and i posted a query with all details (including high-lighting the error on console monitor of JBOSS) ,I am working to rectify the error, still and till now i couldnot solve and got struck,and even i could see only one reply (I am thankful for that even), So I request to answer to the beginners and help them.

Please excuse me if I am wrong in saying these..
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Swetha Bhagavathula wrote: but if you don't mind my humble request is really if the experts or the moderator don't really understand the question(that is if the question is not proper),it would be fine if they they ask the person who posted the question in the forum to explain the way they are actually expecting.


If you look at the more popular forums you will see that's exactly what the experts do!

The problem is that Groovy is a niche language that hardly anyone at all is using. If you check the TIOBE index, it isn't even in the top 50. More people use Visual FoxPro than Groovy!

So I don't think that it's very surprising that there aren't a whole lot of people answering Groovy questions if there aren't many people who even use the language.

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Swetha Bhagavathula
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Bear Bibeault wrote:

If you look at the more popular forums you will see that's exactly what the experts do!

The problem is that Groovy is a niche language that hardly anyone at all is using. If you check the TIOBE index, it isn't even in the top 50. More people use Visual FoxPro than Groovy!

So I don't think that it's very surprising that there aren't a whole lot of people answering Groovy questions if there aren't many people who even use the language.


okay I agree for what you say Bear,thanks for the reply, but what about other forums?please don't mis-understand what i mean and expecting,it's all for the people who have hopes on "JavaRanch" ,.as I stated my example .. I once again request that this is not to hurt anyone but wanted to correct one's errors and need help of the experts ,moderators and even RanchHands so that they can help others ,if someone faces the same problem ,they can search the post and go ahead .otherwise query remains query.
Sabarish Venkat
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Thanks for your support Swetha.... Java Ranch always there for us to solve the problems... If not now in future surely their will be solution for it

@ Bear Thank you for your nice support and dont worry about the experts help if not now in future we will be the experts and we support JavaRanch for the one and all
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Swetha Bhagavathula wrote:what about other forums?please don't mis-understand what i mean and expecting,it's all for the people who have hopes on "JavaRanch" ,.as I stated my example .. I once again request that this is not to hurt anyone but wanted to correct one's errors and need help of the experts ,moderators and even RanchHands so that they can help others ,if someone faces the same problem ,they can search the post and go ahead .otherwise query remains query.

Not sure I understand your point.

JavaRanch works because it allows anybody to answer questions if they think they know the answers. As Bear points out, there are fewer people who know the answers to Groovy questions, so it may take a while to get an answer there. But on most of the mainstream JavaRanch forums you will often get an answer within minutes or hours of asking your question, and there are lots of real experts among your fellow Ranchers, not counting the JavaRanch staff (who are all volunteers with their own jobs and lives to lead). But you can play your part by doing your own research or helping others out where you can. So if you can answer somebody's question, or want to ask them for more information about their question, go right ahead and do so. If you post a question of your own, try to appreciate the free expert help you will receive in most cases, rather than complaining about the occasional cases where nobody is able to help you. And if you find the answer to your own question, remember to post it here so others can learn from your experience as well.


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Rameshwar Soni
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Disclaimer------Not related to the topic.

Chris Webster wrote: JavaRanch works because it allows anybody to answer questions if they think they know the answers. As Bear points out, there are fewer people who know the answers to Groovy questions, so it may take a while to get an answer there. But on most of the mainstream JavaRanch forums you will often get an answer within minutes or hours of asking your question, and there are lots of real experts among your fellow Ranchers, not counting the JavaRanch staff (who are all volunteers with their own jobs and lives to lead). But you can play your part by doing your own research or helping others out where you can. So if you can answer somebody's question, or want to ask them for more information about their question, go right ahead and do so. If you post a question of your own, try to appreciate the free expert help you will receive in most cases, rather than complaining about the occasional cases where nobody is able to help you. And if you find the answer to your own question, remember to post it here so others can learn from your experience as well.


But +1 for Chris webster. I have seen chris's many post and they are really lengthy and informative. Are you an author? Nice Man!!!
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Rameshwar Soni wrote:Disclaimer------Not related to the topic.
I have seen chris's many post and they are really lengthy....

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Rameshwar Soni
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@Chris- But your post are informative and that's vital.
Anyways you have a GREAT writing skill.
Rameshwar Soni
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Howdy Swetha
Swetha Bhagavathula wrote:

But what my request is there are few forums where replies are posted occasionally and sometime not even.


I can understand what you are saying, but how can a person reply to a post for which he/she doesn't have any knowledge?

Swetha Bhagavathula wrote: I also request that it is not waiting for one's answer and finish our work but it is for updating our knowledge in order to share with others in future by learning from our mistakes.unless we know where our mistake is ,how come we help others?


Its again the same question, if a person doesn't have any knowledge and just for the sake of posting, he/she is posting answers, then its not learning from mistakes because the post itself is a mistake.

Swetha Bhagavathula wrote: So I request to please reply for every query atleast guide how to post so that if one can't solve the other may know or faced it one or the other time...


Just posting a reply is neither beneficial to OP nor to anyone. As far as guiding how to post is concerned, i don't think there's a need to do that, because there are only a few things that we have to keep in mind while posting like using code tags for code, using a URL if there's a link I don't think there's a need to guide someone (except the very new i.e. greenhorns) on this.

Also i don't have much knowledge about Java since Java is too vast, so whenever i come on this site, i directly go to sections like
1) Beginning Java
2) Java in general

I never go to Spring, Groovy, Python etc the only reason being that i have a ZERO knowledge about them, so there's no need to go in these sections until and unless i have decided to learn them.

But you are now saying that you atleast want replies, so if a person like me starts posting in sections like Spring etc, then i will be kicked on my butt. So its better to go on sections which you know a bit

Yes there are some sections where anyone can post like Meaning Less drive, Jobs Discussion etc.

One more advice, some sections like Groovy which are not popular in such cases its always best to rely on Google, or your books, or your professor etc

Swetha Bhagavathula wrote: Hope my words don't hurt anyone if so please excuse me..


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chris webster
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Swetha Bhagavathula wrote:So I request to please reply for every query atleast guide how to post so that if one can't solve the other may know or faced it one or the other time..

Right now, it seems that pretty much any question that can be answered by JavaRanchers actually gets answered pretty quickly, almost always by somebody who really knows what they're talking about. Some questions hang around a while for reasons discussed above. So right now you are getting a pretty effective free support service from a global network of unpaid volunteers, many of whom are experts in their fields.

However, you seem to be asking for a dedicated support service, with people waiting to post a response to any question on any topic at any time, even if they cannot answer the question. But a reply like "Your message is important to us and will be dealt with as soon as an operator becomes available..." is of no practical use to anybody. Anyway, nothing's stopping you posting "your question is in a queue..." replies if you think they would be useful. Meanwhile, if you want to ensure a 24x7 instant response support service, maybe you should contact your local Big Fat IT Consultancy and ask them how much they would charge for a dedicated support service covering all possible topics on Java technology (and many others besides).

Swetha Bhagavathula wrote:..Hope my words don't hurt anyone if so please excuse me..

No offence taken (or intended!), but I think you are misunderstanding the basic concept of voluntary community-based forums like JavaRanch.
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Swetha Bhagavathula wrote:So I request to please reply for every query atleast guide how to post

Not sure how feasible this is, but would it be possible to have a thread that runs at regular intervals (say once a day) that looks for posts that were posted more than (say) 24 hours ago but have received no replies and then auto generate a response along the lines of

We see your post has received no replies. This may be because nobody knows the answer, but there may be other reasons.
You might want to browse HowToAskQuestionsOnJavaRanch to see if there is any way to improve your post.
Swetha Bhagavathula
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I agree
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Swetha,

I have a better idea. You agree to pay me $200 every time I reply to one of your posts. That's the only way to guarantee a response. Chris is being very polite. Your request is ridiculous. If you don't like how this FREE service works, you're more than welcome to find another place to ask questions.


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Swetha Bhagavathula
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Hey all I am sorry for what ever i have posted , I didnt mean that I ask apology for all words... I really didn't mean , I know how valuable this site is and i also know importtant this site is .. more every one...sorry sorry.. please..I am really sorry.. actually ireally didnt mean to hurt anyone . If my words really hurt anyone or if I am not eligible to speak them i just keep quiet.... I am sorry.. sorry chris.. and everyone of JavaRanch,, I like JavaRanch...
Swetha Bhagavathula
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I know the pain of learning things.. infact i have passion and love towards learning the great java language.. i resigned two jobs only to work on java.. and i found this javaranch is the best way that shows me to increase theknowledge from that pain .. and i am really sorry...i realize
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Ok. Let's close this thread and move on.
 
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