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Melodie Rice
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Does this new book cover the "V" aspect of MVC? Meaning, will this book touch on some of the aspects of UI in terms of JQuery, Ajax, etc.

Thanks!
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What do Ajax and jQuery have to do with Java 7?


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Melodie Rice
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Wow, talk about a snippy response. I guess my question was targeted to the book title...The Well Grounded Java Developer...not so much about Java 7.

In my opinion, I guess a well grounded Java Developer would also be, at least, aware of JQuery and Ajax as part of the UI of a Java-based development effort.

I guess the book doesn't cover that.

Sorry for the question. At least the response could have been something like..."sorry, the book doesn't cover any UI".

Oh, also, forget about me having interest in the book.
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Melodie Rice wrote:Wow, talk about a snippy response.

Only if you take it that way.

In my opinion, I guess a well grounded Java Developer would also be, at least, aware of JQuery and Ajax as part of the UI of a Java-based development effort.

That's all client-side stuff and has little to do with what's on the server. I wouldn't expect any book on Java that's not a web development focused book to even talk about client-side programming.

I guess the book doesn't cover that.

The table of contents is available online. It looks like the talk about web development is focused on Grails.

Sorry for the question. At least the response could have been something like..."sorry, the book doesn't cover any UI".
Oh, also, forget about me having interest in the book.

Sorry you took the response to be snippy. Take a deep breath and try again without any preconceived notions.
Jeanne Boyarsky
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Let's try again:

No, the book does not cover Java MVC. Java is too big to cover everything in one book so the authors had to choose which topics to cover. Web programming at large is on that list.

Also, try to imagine people smiling on the internet. It helps avoid misinterpreting a terse response to be snippy. I've met Bear; I know he didn't mean in that way.


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Melodie Rice
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Thank you Jeanne for your response.

I have been an application, more specifically, a Java Developer for quite some time now and am very familiar with how to act on forums. I also have a very good attitude and really don't need to have people tell me how to act when I'm accessing the internet.

I asked a simple question and received a very "terse" and condescending response, which I felt was very out-of-line for a "Marshall" of this forum. He also changed one of his responses, which I thought was odd.

No apologies from him, just an accusation that I was taking this out of context.

Maybe he should also imagine people out there with smiles on their faces and people wanting to gain knowledge without having to feel stupid asking questions.

I have used this forum, quite a bit over the years, and have asked questions that actually got reasonable and non-condescending responses. I guess I was taken aback what I received Bear's response.

I'm hoping he can be "coached" on his future responses to provide users with reasonable, accurate, and non-confrontational responses to their questions.

Thank you.
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As a professional, you must be able to handle criticisms well. There was nothing wrong with Bear's question? It was not condescending. Not sure why you were feeling that way.


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I'm hoping he can be "coached"


Not sure you can teach an old dog new tricks, eh Bear?

Seriously though, I think there is an overreaction here from the OP. In my time on the ranch, I have found Bear to be nothing but helpful. He isn't going to provide you with direct coding answers but he knows how to steer you in the right direction. Just don't get him started on constants in the Calendar class!
 
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