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Employers - Why do most of them act like jerks ?

James Browne
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Joined: Sep 09, 2012
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I have been applying for internships to all kinds of companies, from starters to well-established ones. I have been courteous and professional in all my communications with them.
I have also made my (entry level) resume as concise and visually appealing as possible, while mentioning all the important facts. I also tailored my cover letter according to the company.
A lot of work as you can see. Out of all the 35 companies that I applied to, only 5-7 have replied to my application. Some of these were automated responses, which I am okay with.
Some said that they will call me once they decide to move forward.

I never got those calls or replies which indicated if they had even considered me or not. Big or small, both types of companies do this. I have moved on, but today the same thing happened and that is a little upsetting. Once I got so pissed off that I wanted to write an e-mail telling them not to waste our time by putting these job/intern ads. I was at a career fair today where one of such recruiters beckoned me to their booth. I smiled and walked away, fighting the temptation to tell them that I am not interested in a company that wastes my time and treats me like trash...and has the stupidity/audacity to do it again.

Is it acceptable/normal for companies to behave this way ? Do they behave like this even when they are hiring big-shots with 20+ skills and 10+ years of experience ?
If you discovered this kind of behavior at your company, would you feel the need for it to be changed ?

<EDIT>

How hard is it to program this logic into your HR software so that you can give at least an automated response ?
The HR can read a resume, click a button somewhere and set a boolean when that happens.

boolean isResumeGood = false;
isResumeGood = SomeClass.setResumeAccepted();
if(isResumeGood )
{
//Send e-mail with congratulations, interview will be scheduled
}else
{
//Send e-mail with a message - your resume does not meet our requirements, good luck for your job hunt.
}




jatan bhavsar
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Hey James,

Testing phase for your patience. It happens with the most of the people specially with the fresher. I been through all this and i graduated at the time of recession.So dnt loose the patience work harder.

Everyone has pass this phase once in their life if not then they are lucky.
Henry Wong
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James Browne wrote:I have been applying for internships to all kinds of companies, from starters to well-established ones. I have been courteous and professional in all my communications with them.
I have also made my (entry level) resume as concise and visually appealing as possible, while mentioning all the important facts. I also tailored my cover letter according to the company.
A lot of work as you can see. Out of all the 35 companies that I applied to, only 5-7 have replied to my application. Some of these were automated responses, which I am okay with.
Some said that they will call me once they decide to move forward.

I never got those calls or replies which indicated if they had even considered me or not. Big or small, both types of companies do this. I have moved on, but today the same thing happened and that is a little upsetting. Once I got so pissed off that I wanted to write an e-mail telling them not to waste our time by putting these job/intern ads. I was at a career fair today where one of such recruiters beckoned me to their booth. I smiled and walked away, fighting the temptation to tell them that I am not interested in a company that wastes my time and treats me like trash...and has the stupidity/audacity to do it again.

Is it acceptable/normal for companies to behave this way ? Do they behave like this even when they are hiring big-shots with 20+ skills and 10+ years of experience ?
If you discovered this kind of behavior at your company, would you feel the need for it to be changed ?


You have to understand the ridiculous amount of submissions per job search that happens. In my opinion, each resume only gets about 10 seconds to catch the eye of the HR person -- which for your case (since you tailor your cover letter and resume) is a really good thing. You probably have a higher pass rate than many. Given that most resumes don't pass the first 10 seconds, and due to the sheer amount of them, it is highly unlikely that any recruiter, or HR person will be able to answer all submissions.... now, I am not trying to justify the behavior. It is definitely not professional. However, there should be some empathy.

Now, having said that, the level of professionalism during the interview process does seem to have dramatically degraded since my entry into the field. Recruiters do seem to treat candidates this way, even after a few interviews, or even if there is a long term relationship. Don't have enough data to say for sure.

Good luck on your job search,
Henry

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Rishi Shah
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It's really inspiring to see that you're coping with all this in a very calm and professional manner. Kudos to you for that.
Jeanne Boyarsky
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There's actually a third state. Waiting. Sometimes employers batch resumes or want to see if someone works out. Which means they can't reply immediately about reading with a definitive reply. Of course there could be a third button in your example to say "we need more time"!

And I agree, companies should reply in some fashion even if it is an automated "thank you for your submission, we get thousands of resumes; we will reply if interested"


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James Browne
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Henry Wong wrote:
You have to understand the ridiculous amount of submissions per job search that happens.


I agree with what you say, but I believe that the above applies to only "big companies" which have to deal with a "large number" of resume's.
I don't know why small companies with 50-60 employees cannot reply to maybe 100 applicants. One the responses I got was from a small
company. At least they told me that I was not selected, which is okay.
James Browne
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:There's actually a third state. Waiting. Sometimes employers batch resumes or want to see if someone works out. Which means they can't reply immediately about reading with a definitive reply. Of course there could be a third button in your example to say "we need more time"!

And I agree, companies should reply in some fashion even if it is an automated "thank you for your submission, we get thousands of resumes; we will reply if interested"


Yes, at least it lets us know that there may be a chance. It tells me that my resume might have been kept in the "to consider folder" instead of "recycle bin".
As you mentioned, sometimes they buy time, hire someone else and call you if the hired guy leaves too soon. Happened to me once - they never responded to me
and suddenly, they called me for an interview after 2 weeks of application. I had forgotten their name and their job description too
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Employers might be testing your attitude and soft skills. Remember one thing -- "if you are working in others' turf, you need to play by their rules". Some interviewers purposely stir you up too see how you react. I used to feel the same like you do now. But learnt to play the game by keep reminding me that

"If am paid 50k, I will think that 25K is for adding value with my skills and knowledge, and the remaining 25K is to put up with things ".


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Deepak Bala
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Do they behave like this even when they are hiring big-shots with 20+ skills and 10+ years of experience ?


Sometimes yes. Everyone goofs up

It can be frustrating to wait on something after you have put your heart and soul into it, but that is just the way it is. Expectations can lead to disappointments, so my advice would be to take it as it comes and move on. Good luck with your job hunt


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James Browne
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I took your points well. So, I will keep on working and waiting.

BUT........Before I move on forever, I wonder how the douche employers will react to this -

Create/Get 4-5 (maybe much more) fictitious, impressive resumes of fictitious people. Show impressive skills in them, specific to the job.
Then, apply with these resumes and watch the jerks reply in anticipation. Don't reply or keep em hanging for a while.
Give them a taste of their own medicine.

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Being a douchebag in reponse to douchebaggery just makes you another douchebag. Be better than that.


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James Browne wrote:Create/Get 4-5 (maybe much more) fictitious, impressive resumes of fictitious people. Show impressive skills in them, specific to the job.
Then, apply with these resumes and watch the jerks reply in anticipation. Don't reply or keep em hanging for a while.
Give them a taste of their own medicine.

The employer likely won't care/notice. People are off the market all the time. And just like rude employers, there are plenty of rude people that don't reply.
Jayesh A Lalwani
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We are interviewing senior developers onshore. One candidate rescheduled twice, and didn't show up the third time. The HR guy called him up and then he tells us that he already found a job. Thanks for letting us know
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Jayesh A Lalwani wrote:We are interviewing senior developers onshore. One candidate rescheduled twice, and didn't show up the third time. The HR guy called him up and then he tells us that he already found a job. Thanks for letting us know


Real story - HR calls up the candidate who is supposed to come in for an interview. This is how the conversation goes...

HR - 'So are you ready for the interview today ?'
Candidate - 'The weather is overcast and pleasant today so I think I'll stay at home'

Mike Anna
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I feel you. So many times I have wanted to cause physical damage to HRs all over. Most of them are stupid enough not to correct typos when they post jobs. Nobody specifies the work authorization. The subject says full time job but the body says contracting. Many times I take the time and draft mails which send a message. No body does it like a job. Whenever they get time from their stupid iphones and ipods and texting is when the HR works -> this is in reference to when you interact with the HR within the company.
Even walk-in interviews are scheduled pathetically. I used to simply walk out of any interview where I have to wait for a 'round' for over an hour. That was when I had less experience. Slowly I noticed that I enjoyed insulting substandard HR folks. So I really give them a logical piece of my mind before walking out these days.

James Browne wrote:I took your points well. So, I will keep on working and waiting.

BUT........Before I move on forever, I wonder how the douche employers will react to this -

Create/Get 4-5 (maybe much more) fictitious, impressive resumes of fictitious people. Show impressive skills in them, specific to the job.
Then, apply with these resumes and watch the jerks reply in anticipation. Don't reply or keep em hanging for a while.
Give them a taste of their own medicine.


A bunch of guys I know did this. Not that I am saying this is the right way, but people genuinely get pissed off. They were 5 of them. Each of them got a job offer from a company by this specific HR. Everyone said they will join on date x. No one did. The HR guys life was miserable for a long time.
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Being a jerk is never the right thing to do.

Firstly, it's just the wrong thing to do. We should strive to be better than that.

Secondly, IT is a small and close industry, especially within the same city. Do you really think companies don't talk amongst themselves? Do you really think that being a jerk is going to work out for you when you go to your next interview with someone who just had lunch with the person you were a jerk to?

Sure, I've been sent into a killing rage during a job search because of inconsiderate or incompetent companies. But burning bridges will almost always come back to haunt you at some point.

Strive for professionalism as all times -- even in the face of less-than-professional behavior on the part of others.
arulk pillai
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Very good advise Bear.
Mike Anna
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Absolutely Bear ! You give sane advice.

I speak for myself : If someone keeps 'adjusting' and tolerates insane/unprofessional behavior, s/he is definitely contributing in this treatment to be given to others. I have burnt bridges with every obnoxious and illogical person I have interacted with in my professional life. Be it HR or a manager. There is a difference between being a jerk and burning bridges. I would prolly live in a shelter before I had to choose to work with/for them.
9 years of throwing attitude (at the people who don't deserve to be where they are, in my opinion) and still going strong. Highly employable and with the mercy of my Lord, quite decently paid. Am I just at the peak where the fall begins ? I don't know. If am there I'd rather cattle farm than write half baked code. I think there comes a time in everyone's life when they develop a thick skin and refuse to be a door mat. Individual mileages may wary.
 
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