Just getting started but I have to say Java is much better then VB. I have not taken any programming after college. And learning pascal was hard enough without needed it to graduate. When I got a book on Java it was more to continue on and learn something that I did not think that I can. Kind of like someone taking Cal or Chemistry years later. So I am diving in and going to learn something. After being married and having three kids there is something nice about the organization. There is order in somepart of my day.