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dealing with irritating fresher in team who does not know any java

Monica. Shiralkar
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I am experienced developer on java-j2ee in an Indian MNC.In our team there is a freshers who do know know any java as compared to my knowledge who has spent some time knowing programming in java oves the years but in this freshers team keep speaking nonsense on java and managers think he knows more than me.I respect people with knowledge and other collegues who have knowledge but this guy does not know anyting on java and keeps speaking idiotic.How to I keep my position correct in the team as compared to this novice developer.?what should i do to keep my position way higher than him and safer on basis of knowledge as compared to him.?
James Boswell
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what should i do to keep my position way higher than him

You shouldnt need to do anything. If you are indeed superior to this colleague, it will be reflected in your work. Try to remember you are still part of a team and as they say "there is no I in team".
Jeanne Boyarsky
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Does the new guy deliver working software? If he is "all talk", management will notice soon enough.

Echoing James' comment, you are a team. Someone on the team needs to coach him, pair with him, suggest books, practice exercises, etc. Maybe you are that person.


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Deepak Bala
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Suck-ups exist everywhere. There are a couple of things that can happen...

* The manager is ignorant and things stay the same. Heck your colleague may even be promoted before you are.
* The manager is wise and sees through this person eventually. - He is removed from the team.
* The manager is wise and sees through this person eventually. - There is nothing your manager can do about it because this person is liked by your manager's manager
* This person moves to another team / position and is out of your way.
* <Insert another scenario here>

That is certainly not an exhaustive list. You can usually sort these out into scenarios that will affect your growth / salary and those that will not. If it affects you and you cannot change the situation, you are working in a toxic environment. Find another job / position. If it does not affect you, you have no problem.

You can also try to help him like Jeanne suggests. But I'd think twice before helping someone that is full of hot air to begin with. From your description, that is what the rookie looks like.


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chris webster
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Monica. Shiralkar wrote:I am experienced developer on java-j2ee in an Indian MNC.In our team there is a freshers who do know know any java as compared to my knowledge who has spent some time knowing programming in java oves the years but in this freshers team keep speaking nonsense on java...

Funny - I've had similar experiences working on teams full of inexperienced Java developers who know plenty of Java and nothing else! Sometimes you can teach people the things they need to know, sometimes you simply need to let them fail first before they're ready to learn. And of course there's always scope for you to learn from them too. Anyway, if this guy thinks he's so great, why not try to give him the opportunity to prove it (or fail trying) with a suitably challenging task? Either way, somebody will learn something, and it's more productive than playing office politics over your relative positions at the bottom of a hierarchy.
Monica. Shiralkar wrote:How to I keep my position correct in the team as compared to this novice developer.?what should i do to keep my position way higher than him and safer on basis of knowledge as compared to him.?

The best way to ensure your "position" of superiority is to demonstrate superior skills in the quality of your work and teamwork.


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Sai Surya
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I know how it feels since I am going through it now. I am dealing with few guys who talk only in 'meetings with our manager' and they always gives advice to me in front of our manager. Once we are out of the meeting room, they keep approaching me seeking my help The best strategy is to give this fresher a challenging task keeping your manager in loop and track his progress. Stop helping him and make this whole process visible to your manager. As the time passes everyone will realize. Do not loose your temper and have patience. Good luck!


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Lexington Smith
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Monica. Shiralkar wrote:I am experienced developer on java-j2ee in an Indian MNC.In our team there is a freshers who do know know any java as compared to my knowledge who has spent some time knowing programming in java oves the years but in this freshers team keep speaking nonsense on java and managers think he knows more than me.I respect people with knowledge and other collegues who have knowledge but this guy does not know anyting on java and keeps speaking idiotic.How to I keep my position correct in the team as compared to this novice developer.?what should i do to keep my position way higher than him and safer on basis of knowledge as compared to him.?


Assuming that you are giving both sides of the story, I say that with great power, comes great responsibility - from spiderman. Go figure.
Vishal Hegde
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I am a fresher and recently joined java team .I have one Senior who is very helpful who explains me the code completely and i get a sense of satisfaction and confidence that i learnt something.Also i have a project lead who never tells me anything and the only thing he says is search yourself.It really frustrating when you only know core java and not struts ir spring. Now the question is opposite over here.How can a fresher deal amongst expert professional.I feel sad when projct lead says to my manager that i didnotcomplete the task.I am a silent kind of guy and i hate when pepple misuse it


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