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How to buy a public IP?

chaitanya karthikk
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Hi all, we are developing an application for a hospital. It will be a web based application and socket programming is also involved. We don't want to purchase some web hosting services because it might not suit all our technology requirements and listing the technologies is also going on in parallel. I have been asked to check the cost of public ip, where to purchase, packages etc. Besides we even do not want to go for dedicated hosting because of the prices. I saw in rackspace, for minimum configurations they are charging 50,000 INR per month which we cant afford. We will have lot of data because the doctors will be uploading images and videos directly from microscopes/ct-scan machines. There will be appropriate apis to read image/video data from the external devices and upload it to the server. Keeping all these in mind we decided to go for purchasing a public ip and host the server ourself. Moreover the application will not be hosted on the web always. Whenever a doctor wants another doctor to view the videos or images we will give access to outside doctors.

Can anyone please help me. Thank you all in advance. Good day.


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ankur rathi
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I think you need to go for static IP.
Once I inquired at Airtel few years back, it was around 2000 INR (~40 USD) per month.

You'll also need a very high speed internet connection and a good server - no idea about the price and kind of server you should buy. For internet, you might want to check with some ISPs - depending on your requirement, they'll suggest you some package. Please do post here if you get some idea.

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Wha are you posting this question in the Meaningless Drivel forum? You've around for years, you should know better than that.


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Kathleen Angeles
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Statip IP is also expensive.

Serving your server yourself is a BIG thing: temperature, power supply, backup, scaling up or down, etc. You can end up spending. sweating, worrying, etc. much more than getting a hosting service.

Take a look again at rackspace cloud. You can install anything, backup in 1 click or schedule it, create server copies in a few minutes, etc.
chaitanya karthikk
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Kathleen Angeles wrote:Statip IP is also expensive.

Serving your server yourself is a BIG thing: temperature, power supply, backup, scaling up or down, etc. You can end up spending. sweating, worrying, etc. much more than getting a hosting service.

Take a look again at rackspace cloud. You can install anything, backup in 1 click or schedule it, create server copies in a few minutes, etc.
It is around 50,000+ INR for a month. We cannot afford for that.
chaitanya karthikk
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Ulf Dittmer wrote:Wha are you posting this question in the Meaningless Drivel forum? You've around for years, you should know better than that.
I don't know much about purchasing an IP and setting up a server by my own
Pat Farrell
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You talk to your ISP and ask for a static IP. They provide it along with general Internet connectivity.

Be forewarned, we have run out of IPv4 addresses, so the remaining few are expensive.

Getting a fixed IPv6 address is trivial, but then you have to run a IPv6 stack.
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If you are just trying to get your application started up, you can look at Amazon's Free Usage tier. They give you a small server for free for one year. You will have to move to a paid tier after a year. This should give you enough time to start generating some business. If you are successful, I am pretty sure, you will have enough usage that you will need and be afford to pay for a server.
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ankur rathi wrote:You'll also need a very high speed internet connection and a good server


You can't say this without knowing the requirements. I host many domains in my basement on a modest speed broadband connection. Its a few megabytes/sec up and down. No need for fiber, etc. But this is because most of my hosted domains are vanity ones, they dont' get much traffic. While they are public, we don't have anything that the population wants, no porn, no celebrity photos, no warz, etc.

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chaitanya karthikk wrote:I don't know much about purchasing an IP and setting up a server by my own

You misunderstood. We have many forums that are dedicated to technical discussions; why are you posting in this forum, which is specifically meant for non-technical discussions? You're lucky you haven't gotten an answer making fun of the question yet.
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Boston cream pie isn't pie at all! Can we trust nothing?



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Bear Bibeault wrote:Boston cream pie isn't pie at all! Can we trust nothing?



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Oh yeah! I never said it wasn't yummy!

Hmmm, now I have a hankering.

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Bear Bibeault wrote:Boston cream pie isn't pie at all!


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Kathleen Angeles
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chaitanya karthikk wrote:
Kathleen Angeles wrote:Statip IP is also expensive.

Serving your server yourself is a BIG thing: temperature, power supply, backup, scaling up or down, etc. You can end up spending. sweating, worrying, etc. much more than getting a hosting service.

Take a look again at rackspace cloud. You can install anything, backup in 1 click or schedule it, create server copies in a few minutes, etc.
It is around 50,000+ INR for a month. We cannot afford for that.


You can only answer your question if you list down everything like in a spreadsheet, with all the options and each detailed and total cost.

I am not from India so I dont know the cost of static IP there.

Complete the list I mentioned above, and it will answer your question. Note: add all including costs like, buy computer, server OS, emergency power supply, cost of actual static ip and bandwidth, airconditioning if needed, electricity if significant, and the like.

In my country Singapore, the static IP package is very expensive; actually just that static IP package itself (ip and bandwidth only; you still need to run your server) is more expensive than one rackspace complete package.
chaitanya karthikk
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Ulf Dittmer wrote:
chaitanya karthikk wrote:I don't know much about purchasing an IP and setting up a server by my own

You misunderstood. We have many forums that are dedicated to technical discussions; why are you posting in this forum, which is specifically meant for non-technical discussions? You're lucky you haven't gotten an answer making fun of the question yet.
So, in which forum I must post? I haven't found forum related to discuss such things.
chaitanya karthikk
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Kathleen Angeles wrote:
chaitanya karthikk wrote:
Kathleen Angeles wrote:Statip IP is also expensive.

Serving your server yourself is a BIG thing: temperature, power supply, backup, scaling up or down, etc. You can end up spending. sweating, worrying, etc. much more than getting a hosting service.

Take a look again at rackspace cloud. You can install anything, backup in 1 click or schedule it, create server copies in a few minutes, etc.
It is around 50,000+ INR for a month. We cannot afford for that.


You can only answer your question if you list down everything like in a spreadsheet, with all the options and each detailed and total cost.

I am not from India so I dont know the cost of static IP there.

Complete the list I mentioned above, and it will answer your question. Note: add all including costs like, buy computer, server OS, emergency power supply, cost of actual static ip and bandwidth, airconditioning if needed, electricity if significant, and the like.

In my country Singapore, the static IP package is very expensive; actually just that static IP package itself (ip and bandwidth only; you still need to run your server) is more expensive than one rackspace complete package.
Perhaps I must go with rackspace. May be I visited a wrong link and found it 50,000INR. I had a chat with the sales people and found it to be $16/m as starting price.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Boston cream pie isn't pie at all! Can we trust nothing?



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Kathleen Angeles
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Perhaps I must go with rackspace. May be I visited a wrong link and found it 50,000INR. I had a chat with the sales people and found it to be $16/m as starting price.


You can search if there are other good web/cloud hosting. If you only use LAMP (apache, php, mysql, etc.) then there are so many cheap choices.

An example of a package in rackspace: 1 static ip, 1 cloud pc, bandwidth is per use (negligible price), 1 gig ram: cost is around 55 us$/month.
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chaitanya karthikk wrote:
Ulf Dittmer wrote:
chaitanya karthikk wrote:I don't know much about purchasing an IP and setting up a server by my own

You misunderstood. We have many forums that are dedicated to technical discussions; why are you posting in this forum, which is specifically meant for non-technical discussions? You're lucky you haven't gotten an answer making fun of the question yet.
So, in which forum I must post? I haven't found forum related to discuss such things.


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ankur rathi
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Also check this - http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/plus_dynamic_dns.html

In 25 USD per year, they'll provide a service to translate yourdomain.com to your dynamic ip... no expenses on getting static ip.
You can run whatever stack you want to on your server...

Anyone tried this before?

However I am not sure of one thing - why an ISP will come to no-ip.com to resolve a generic host name?
Kathleen Angeles
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ankur rathi wrote:Also check this - http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/plus_dynamic_dns.html

In 25 USD per year, they'll provide a service to translate yourdomain.com to your dynamic ip... no expenses on getting static ip.
You can run whatever stack you want to on your server...

Anyone tried this before?

However I am not sure of one thing - why a ISP will come to no-ip.com to resolve a generic host name?


It works.

However, most of the ISP services limit the use for 'personal' purposes. Meaning, you are violating your ISP's rules.

In addition, unless you are using fiber optic connection, the upload will be much slower than the download speed; ask your ISP. For example, for fiber, you can get 100mbps upload/100mbps download, while using cable wire connection, it is 100mbps download and 4mbps upload. That 'upload' speed is the speed that your server data will be sent back to your client.
Pat Farrell
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Kathleen Angeles wrote: while using cable wire connection, it is 100mbps download and 4mbps upload. That 'upload' speed is the speed that your server data will be sent back to your client.


This limitation is mostly a marketing limitation by the ISP, they dont' want you running servers in your house, without paying for the business plan. Its really not a technical issue, but the ISPs won't let you know that.
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ankur rathi wrote:In 25 USD per year, they'll provide a service to translate yourdomain.com to your dynamic ip... no expenses on getting static ip.
You can run whatever stack you want to on your server...

Anyone tried this before?

Yes, I'm using a similar (free) service to be able to log into my home computer from outside. My router should update the IP with it when the IP changes. At least theoretically; my IP address doesn't change nearly at all (even though I don't pay for a fixed IP), so I don't know if it would actually work

However, I don't run a web server at home. If I did, I'd probably pay for a fixed IP; in my country, a fixed IP can usually be bought at prices smaller than $25 (on the top of the actual connection, of course - perhaps the IPv4 addresses allocated to my country are not as scarce as the US ones). It would certainly be more reliable. When a dynamic IP changes, it takes some time for this change to propagate through the DNS, even if the no-ip infrastructure reacted immediately, and during this time, the server would be unreachable.

However I am not sure of one thing - why an ISP will come to no-ip.com to resolve a generic host name?

It's the browser who does it. The dynamic DNS services (like no-ip) propagate the addresses through the DNS - Domain Name System. Web browsers and other web tools use DNS to translate a hostname into an IP address.
 
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