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OCP-JP career path

Scott Geroux
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Joined: Mar 19, 2013
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I'm kind of an old guy that spent 20 years as a stockbroker who got his degree in Economics. Never wrote a line of code in my life. I have been studying for the OCP-JP for 1 year. I am ready to take the exam. My question is...what is my best option after I comnplete OCP-JP? I am looking to do maintenance / support work for commercial code on a contract / telecommute basis. Are there opportunities to find contract maintenance work at this point, or should I pursue another course. If so, should I stay with the follow up Developer cert to implement what I learned in OCP-JP...or move directly to business or web component certs on the EE platform? Thank you for your professional consideration.
Bhavesh Saraswat
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Joined: Jan 20, 2013
Posts: 18

Hi Scott,

As far as my experience and knowledge is concerned, it is very unlikely that some project is developed only in core java. Most of the java technology is being used to develope web application. I mean to say core java is a basic platform to understand the higher level technologies based on J2EE.

content of OCP-JP gives you the understanding of core java. But for realtime projects you also need to know servlet/jsp which is covered under OCWCD certification and Enterprise Java Bean(EJB) OCBCD. There are several framwork which are used extensively to make applications easy to develop and maintain like Struts, Spring, Hibernate.

This is purely my understanding about the java developement indrusty and may differ what you are actually looking for. So take this as an advice and not as mandates.


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tom pham
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Joined: Mar 21, 2013
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Scott,

If you've already invested a year, then absolutely take the test. Not many developers put in the effort to get certified in Java, I work at a large tech consulting firm and less than a handful of us are certified. That at least shows initiative, and I'm sure a smaller firm will give you a chance and help train you up. I've seen people from the mailroom move into development, not to say you're coming from there. I've had a friend of mine, who was a practicing physician become a DBA. So anything is possible.

In terms of never writing a line of code, I suggest downloading eclipse and practice writing code that you see in the book.

I find it kind of funny, I'm a developer with 12 years of exp who currently got my mba, and looking to break into finance... if you have any tips on your end, i'd love to hear any tips from your end. :-)

Scott Geroux
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Joined: Mar 19, 2013
Posts: 4
Thanks for the feedback folks. To clarify, i never wrote a line a code before learning Java. I took the Oracle University self-study courses and that resulted in writing a simple banking application that used all of the test objectives. I also went through some other video courses like VTC, Joe Grip and Deitel. Then I went through HeadFirst Java a few times...then the SCJP6 study guide a few times...then a few hundred mock questions. I have pursued it with the goal of understanding core Java on a deep level and I like writing code. Both of you have helped me. i think I should start looking for a junior opportunity post-exam, and continue on with an EE platform cert path at the same time. Thanks again. Any further thoughts are welcome. I can help you Tom with financial industry information outside this forum I would think. I am a new member. Just show me the protocol.
Ahmed Adel
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Joined: Mar 29, 2013
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Scott Geroux wrote:Thanks for the feedback folks. To clarify, i never wrote a line a code before learning Java. I took the Oracle University self-study courses and that resulted in writing a simple banking application that used all of the test objectives. I also went through some other video courses like VTC, Joe Grip and Deitel. Then I went through HeadFirst Java a few times...then the SCJP6 study guide a few times...then a few hundred mock questions. I have pursued it with the goal of understanding core Java on a deep level and I like writing code. Both of you have helped me. i think I should start looking for a junior opportunity post-exam, and continue on with an EE platform cert path at the same time. Thanks again. Any further thoughts are welcome. I can help you Tom with financial industry information outside this forum I would think. I am a new member. Just show me the protocol.


same here my friend
Henry Wong
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Scott Geroux wrote:I'm kind of an old guy that spent 20 years as a stockbroker who got his degree in Economics. Never wrote a line of code in my life. I have been studying for the OCP-JP for 1 year. I am ready to take the exam. My question is...what is my best option after I comnplete OCP-JP? I am looking to do maintenance / support work for commercial code on a contract / telecommute basis. Are there opportunities to find contract maintenance work at this point, or should I pursue another course. If so, should I stay with the follow up Developer cert to implement what I learned in OCP-JP...or move directly to business or web component certs on the EE platform? Thank you for your professional consideration.


Banks and securities firms have large IT departments. With 20 years experience, you should be able to network though some colleague in management to get shot at a junior IT role or internship. In my opinion, your business contacts from your 20 years in finance is probably more valuable than anything a fresher out of school has.

Henry


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Scott Geroux
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I am focusing on the financial sector. My experience and understanding of the the business is a significant thing. But the business doesn't really work that way. Corporate management in NYC doesn't interact with brokers in the branch offices unless there is a problem. The job is to make contacts in other people's businesses. Brokers work alone from an internal context. With all due respect, I need guidance with regards to Java wisdom. The question remains the same:

What is the best certification path after OCP-JP to acquire commercial maintenance work? And, is it possible to find entry into this kind of work with just the OCP-JP?

I have a low vision disability and use accessibility software/hardware. I write code on a 60" display with magnifiers, readers and speech recognition. Pursuing Java is my attempt at retraining myself since vision loss changed the game for me. I don't have big development career dreams. I just want to pick up some commercial maintenance work on a remote contract basis and make some extra money to feed my expensive guitar habit

Henry Wong
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Scott Geroux wrote:I am focusing on the financial sector. My experience and understanding of the the business is a significant thing. But the business doesn't really work that way. Corporate management in NYC doesn't interact with brokers in the branch offices unless there is a problem. The job is to make contacts in other people's businesses. Brokers work alone from an internal context. With all due respect, I need guidance with regards to Java wisdom. The question remains the same:


Fair enough... I was only pointing out an alternative route to pursue -- and not trying to derail the direction that you are looking for help in. My points are meant to be side pointers -- feel free to ignore if it isn't an option that you want to look into.

I agree that the brokers don't talk to the IT developers directly, but I don't agree that the LOB don't talk to the tech side. In fact, with certain banks here in NYC, the development teams report to the LOB (even though many banks are looking to change that). While you can argue that the link from broker to the IT manager is not very strong, with 20 years of networking, I am surprised that there isn't a link via the LOB managing director (whom you have a contact to help you pursue).

Henry
Scott Geroux
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Henry. I started working as a broker for Painewebber when IT was a DOS based Quotron, there was no internet, and banks were barred from the securities business.

The business I was in, it's NYSE member firms, and the culture that went with it are gone. You don't know what you are saying.

Christopher Swearingen
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Joined: May 02, 2012
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While looking at certification topics I saw this post. By coincidence I may have an employment avenue for you to look at. I'm NOT a recruiter or headhunter. Just a developer for a company that has clients that fit your background. I sent a PM.
 
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