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Pat Farrell
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Google has announced that they are expanding their fiber network. The one that brings gigabyte speeds to your house for under $100 a month.

Now, they are bringing their goodness to Bear land. Austin, TX
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It'll be interesting to see what that does to the Time Warner monopoly.


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Pat Farrell
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The whole point of Google's network to the home is to blow up the local monopolies on phone, tv and internet.
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I'm not a big fan of Google -- but I'm most definitely not a fan of Time Warner either. It's gonna be interesting.

Of course, as far as I know this is still just a rumor. I hope it is true, however. Competition is good.
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Pat Farrell wrote:The whole point of Google's network to the home is to blow up the local monopolies on phone, tv and internet.


And if they happen to make bazillions of dollars in the process, that's just coincidence.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:I'm not a big fan of Google -- but I'm most definitely not a fan of Time Warner either. It's gonna be interesting.

Of course, as far as I know this is still just a rumor. I hope it is true, however. Competition is good.



In total agreement. Just because a company is fighting a monopoly, doesn't mean that it doesn't have monopolistic tendencies. By my parts, New York City, we have Verizon FIOS against Time Warner Cable. Time Warner has the monopoly, and Verizon wants the monopoly. I am no fan of either, except the competition itself -- starting to see better deals, and higher bandwidth (which implies that Time Warner is finally upgrading the equipment).

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Henry Wong wrote:Just because a company is fighting a monopoly, doesn't mean that it doesn't have monopolistic tendencies.

I'm pretty sure that Google makes no claims that its aims to be anything other than the #1 source of advertising on the planet, so far ahead of #2 that it doesn't matter.

I don't believe that they really want to be an ISP, but none of the incumbents are willing to change the business model, and we are cursed with speeds that are a tiny fraction of what is common in places such as Korea.
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WTH ... please google bring some speed to my place too


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Pat Farrell wrote:Google has announced that they are expanding their fiber network. The one that brings gigabyte speeds to your house for under $100 a month.

Now, they are bringing their goodness to Bear land. Austin, TX


I thought bear was the OP.
Pat Farrell
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Apparently now AT&T wants into the gravy train of providing fiber Internet to Austin. Of couse, they claim that they will offer it "if they get the same deal that Google is getting".

The local authorities have replied that AT&T has had the same deal as Google is getting for years. So what now is AT&T's excuse.
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Now they have added a third city, Provo Utah. There are a lot of tech companies in Provo, so it sort of makes sense.

But given my choice to live in any Google Fiber city, I'd be down with @Bear in Austin
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Thanks, Pat!

According to what I've read, the reason for the Provo rollout is that Provo already has fiber in place that Google will be taking over.
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Bear Bibeault wrote: the reason for the Provo rollout is that Provo already has fiber in place that Google will be taking over.

I'm sure that there were many reasons. Clearly the existing fiber ISP in Provo gives Google a leg up. No need to argue with the city politicians, etc. The strong tech business community there (home of Novel and WordPerfect in the olden-days) means that there are lots of geeks with jobs who will want to pay for the service. Said geeks will also be willing to push the politicians to license the services, etc.

I have read that Google bought the existing Fiber ISP for $1, but I don't have solid sources on that.

Austin and San Antonio are the only areas in Texas that I could survive in. I did some work in Dallas/FW and that area has a big impedance mismatch with my personality.
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I'm happy that Google and AT&T are going to be putting pressure on Time Warner here. The TWC service is pretty awful.

If the numbers are to be believed, the free Google service (after a one-time $300 setup fee) is only marginally slower than the supposedly super-fast "Turbo Internet" that I'm paying TWC for.
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I'm moving to the Philly suburbs next month, and have ordered Verizon FIOS. It will be over $250 a month, and nowhere near gigabit speeds. In SE PA, the choices are FIOS or Comcast, and Comcast's price was not much cheaper, but it sure was lower speed.

We need real competition in broadband. Bring it on.
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Does the $250 include video and voice? Or is that just broadband?

What kind of speeds are they promising?
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Its voice (two lines), TV, and Internet with 5 static IP addresses, business service, no limits on bytes transfered.
75d/25u speeds, which is enough for my needs.
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That's only marginally more than I'm paying for "Turbo", and over 10x the speeds.
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The static/fixed IP addresses really drive the price up. It forces the account to be a "business" even though it will just be a server in the basement of my house. And business accounts can't use any of the "tripple play" marketing deals that can cut the price in half. But without the fixed IP, I'd have to go find a hosting service for my domains and that would push the price back up.

I want to just rent a dumb fat pipe, but the vendors don't want to sell that.
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How much would it have been without the static IPs?
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Bear Bibeault wrote:How much would it have been without the static IPs?

I forget, but about $100 less. They only charge $20 for the fixed IPs but only after you move to a business account.
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Wow. I am so over-paying TWC. But it's the only game in town right now.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Wow. I am so over-paying TWC. But it's the only game in town right now.

That is, of course, the point of their monopoly.

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Bear Bibeault wrote:The TWC service is pretty awful.


Amen!

It's expensive, and when it works, it's fast (or at least faster than anything else I can get right now), but it has been horribly unreliable for me.

Every day, throughout the day, my connection to the internet would drop. Just for maybe 10-30 seconds, but it was very disruptive. I couldn't have a Skype call, I was constantly getting booted out of VPN and off machines I was logged into. After several rounds with tech support where they assured me that my modem was fine and my cable was fine, they finally said they'd put my modem on their watch list, so if anything went pear-shaped, they'd know about it. If there was a problem, they'd let me know, and fix it or replace the modem.

Two weeks, same problem, no word from them. Finally I just took my modem down to their office and asked for a replacement. That was a couple days ago, and so far, so good. If it works great, but it still irks me that for what I'm paying, they weren't more proactive about fixing my problem. You'd think when a customer calls half a dozen times with the same complaint, you'd just give him a new modem, even if nothing looks like it's wrong from your end.

 
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