Hi Dan Allen We are planning to start a big project and not sure should we go with ADFm-ADF Rich components using Jdeveloper or Seam with Trinidad using JBoss Studio. I could not find if anybody is using seam with trinidad in production. I am really impressed with ADF-RC but really hate ADFm framework. Is there any complete sample application that I can use to start my project in Seam as ADF has ADF demo? The samples comes with Seam are not complex enough.