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Amit Ghorpade
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In case you missed, take a look at

So its good to know your teacher in advance.
Also make sure you learn it before you demonstrate it. That means try it when no ones watching ;)


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Jayesh A Lalwani
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What a moron? Worst thing is that even after hitting the little kid, he kept on continuing
Bear Bibeault
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to martial arts, but even I know that having two dudes holding the board is a big fail. Most of the energy is being wasted as they cannot hold the board firmly enough.


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Amit Ghorpade
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With the right technique, brick held by someone can be cracked, not sure of board though.
Jayesh A Lalwani
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I haven't seen anyone break a board of that thickness by holding it. Usually, you place thick boards between 2 supports. Also, the guy whose holding the board isn't really holding the board right. The black belt should have seen that and stopped right there.

You just don't grab the board because the board breaker might just kick your fingers (as it happenned in the video at one point). You cup your hand in an L shape and place the palm of your hand behind the board while your fingers make a right angle with the plane of the board. That way, you won't get kicked, and also your entire arm will take the brunt
Frank Silbermann
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An important part of historical siege warfare with the building of siege engines -- moveable ramps, cataputs, etc.
Some rulers afraid of revolution forbade peasants from owning the construction tools that might be used for building siege engines.
To get their work done on the farm, peasants developed the ability to break boards using only their hands and feet.

That's how the martial arts developed.
Amit Ghorpade
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Frank Silbermann wrote:To get their work done on the farm, peasants developed the ability to break boards using only their hands and feet.

Hmmmm. That explains the boards, I wonder how fired bricks, floor tiles and even tube lights got involved.
Jayesh A Lalwani
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That sounds like an UL to me. Unarmed martial arts started in Japan with Jujitsu which doesn't emphasize striking techniques and was meant to be used against heavily armored samurai. Striking samurai armor wouldn't work. At the same time, martial arts were formed in CHina that emphasized various forms of striking and kicking techniques. These techniques were called gongfu (which got anglicised to Kung fu) and were mainly used for sport, demonstration and exercise. Most modern martial arts are blends of various elements of Jujitsu and Gongfu.

Breaking board techniques most certainly came from Chinese, and I've never heard of board breaking arising from peasants forbidden to use tools. It seems more likely that board breaking started because people wanted to practice their striking techniques. Wood mimics bone, and the safest way for a practitioner to demonstrate bone breaking ability without harming people would be to to break boards
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Jayesh A Lalwani wrote:and the safest way for a practitioner to demonstrate bone breaking ability without harming people would be to to break boards

What, there weren't enough peasants?

Cue Monty-Python-esque skit of peasants waiting in line to be kicked as practice.

/ducks
Amit Ghorpade
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Jayesh A Lalwani wrote:Wood mimics bone, and the safest way for a practitioner to demonstrate bone breaking ability without harming people would be to to break boards

Why settle for boards when they can actually break floor tiles and cement blocks which are much harder than bones.
Jayesh A Lalwani
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Maybe because wood is cheaper? Also, it's easier to progress on the boards. In my son's TKD school, the white belts get boards that you can snap off with your hands (and I suspect the masters snap the boards themselves when the student is having difficulty).

Breaking is all about confidence. You have to kick through the board. If you hesitate, and hold back, you won't break it. Also, It actually hurts more to not break the board. If you don't break it, the impact goes back into your feet. Owie!! So, if you are not confident the first time, you don't break it, and it hurts you, which reduces your confidence. It's a vicious cycle. That's why you can't start with hard stuff. Kids have to be confident on thinner material before they go to thicker

Amit Ghorpade
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I agree, breaking is all about confidence and to be ready to hit through. That is a primary reason why the person in the video is not able to break the board.
From what I know about martial arts, he is placing kicks on the board, which would require years of practice. IMO only Bruce Lee could have done that.

I think for beginners, bricks are better option as they are porous and when wet give up easily.
vishal saha
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I learned half . i have orange 2nd belt in japan flavor(could not remember) . but execution and martial arts are completely irrelevant. martial art is counter part of GYM (worst er than martial art) .

The point is that GYM and martial art born from brain . so all this today internet can beat Bruce lee(former) and latest Wladimir Klitschko
Frank Silbermann
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Jayesh A Lalwani wrote:That sounds like an UL to me. Unarmed martial arts started in Japan with Jujitsu which doesn't emphasize striking techniques and was meant to be used against heavily armored samurai. Striking samurai armor wouldn't work. At the same time, martial arts were formed in CHina that emphasized various forms of striking and kicking techniques. These techniques were called gongfu (which got anglicised to Kung fu) and were mainly used for sport, demonstration and exercise. Most modern martial arts are blends of various elements of Jujitsu and Gongfu.

Breaking board techniques most certainly came from Chinese, and I've never heard of board breaking arising from peasants forbidden to use tools. It seems more likely that board breaking started because people wanted to practice their striking techniques. Wood mimics bone, and the safest way for a practitioner to demonstrate bone breaking ability without harming people would be to to break boards
Actually, I was just riffing off the idea that martial arts were developed for protection from bandits when oppressive rulers disarmed the common folk. So I made up the part about breaking boards being developed when rulers denied the common folk wood-working tools. I guess the joke was too subtle.
Judy Holmes
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Yeah, bricks are better for beginners. Though, I have learned martial arts as a self defense lesson , I can break cement blocks easily. I know aikido, now thinking of learning jiu-jitsu as you can end a fight very quickly by taking the overall control of the opponent.
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Amit Ghorpade
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They have removed it, maybe due to drop in students or a lawsuit from the child that got hit.
Winston Gutkowski
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Cue Monty-Python-esque skit of peasants waiting in line to be kicked as practice.

Palin: Oh yeah...Sensai? And who gave you that, eh? Got that by clobbering the masses, speaking a bit of Japanese, and hanging onto outdated dogmas...

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