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Why does our homepage say we are 'a friendly place for programming greenhorns!'?

Chan Ag
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Hi,

I was wondering why the Coderanch homepage says that it's a friendly place for programming greenhorns. I agree that Ranch is friendlier than a lot of other forums that programmers could turn to for availing help/guidance. But it's not a place only for greenhorns/beginners. Isn't it? We here get help on all kinds of advanced topics as well. So I was wondering why our homepage says we are a friendly place for programming 'greenhorns'.

Chan.

P.S I know our homepage doesn't say we are a place for greenhorns 'only' but at ranch don't we define greenhorns as people who've posted fewer than 30/40 posts? I do realize that not all greenhorns are beginners and not all who have more than a 1000 posts are experts.

chuck morris
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1. 1000 posts might be very valuable long time ago. now it should be 2^32 or 2 ^ 64.

2. my guess is that green horns makes music , someone like me may make new/ugly music .


Chan Ag
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chuck morris wrote:1. 1000 posts might be very valuable long time ago. now it should be 2^32 or 2 ^ 64.



I see that you have a point. Your first point quite explains why almost( I'm quite liberal -- there are quite a few people here who are almost experts to me ) nobody is an expert and hence the term greenhorns ( perhaps ).

2. my guess is that green horns makes music , someone like me may make new/ugly music .


Yeah! you just proved it!

Edit : Oh and welcome to the Ranch.

Jeanne Boyarsky
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I think it is meant to be welcoming. The site is definitely not to ONLY be intended for greenhorns.

Interestingly, the beta view doesn't say that. I wonder if that is on purpose.


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I think the JavaRanch history page explains the history behind the greenhorn bit:

Unable to find a friendly place for Java beginners in 1997, Kathy registered the javaranch.com domain name and decided to create one herself.


That's how JavaRanch projected itself and that stood as a differentiator between JavaRanch and other forums out there. It's been 16 years since then and now. During this period a lot of new things have been added to this site and that mainly includes new forums for various different technologies. From what I see, currently, we broadly cater to the following sets of users:

1) Users who are new to programming and want to learn it.

Taking a look around, we'll notice that the Beginning Java, (to some extent even) Java In General, Java language certification and the Cattle Drive forums cater to such a crowd. A more detailed look at those forums and we can see that they are the ones which generate most topics/posts on an average. These set of forums have been the mainstay since the inception of JavaRanch. Users in these forums are typically those who are willing to spend time to learn programming in general and Java in particular. I think this is where users take pride in being referred as greenhorns. These are the forums where prolonged discussions usually take place while learning the details and this is where over a period of time, users start having a sense of belonging to JavaRanch. Till this day since the inception, I think these are the forums and users which distinguish us from the other sites out there.

2) Users who have been in programming for a while and are now looking for help in certain specific technologies issues.

This set of users are looking for a very specific and typically quick answer for some issue they are running into while dealing with some technology. Discussions is not something they are too interested in (of course there are users who love to discuss and understand the deeper details). Over the years we have added numerous forums to cater to this set of users. Over the years various other forums outside of JavaRanch too have added similar forums. So we aren't unique in anyway in that regard. Some other forums out there specialize in this "no discussions, only quick answers required" style. So although we do cater to this second set of users at JavaRanch, we don't specialize in it and neither are we the only ones out there who cater to this set.

So, in short, I think when the home page says "we are a friendly place for programming greenhorns!" what it really means is "we cater to various kinds of programmers but we specialize in being a friendly place for programming greenhorns!"



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Jaikiran Pai
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
Interestingly, the beta view doesn't say that. I wonder if that is on purpose.


It's an oversight in the beta view.
paul wheaton
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I was asked this about ten years ago. My response is: even the most senior engineers will get a new task requiring them to explore a new technology. And those senior engineers are now greenhorns for the new technology.


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Chan Ag
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paul wheaton wrote:My response is: even the most senior engineers will get a new task requiring them to explore a new technology. And those senior engineers are now greenhorns for the new technology.


And I think that's an awesome response. That's what I thought it meant also.

I didn't intend to come off as the intruding kinds, but thanks. :-)
 
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