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Thoughts about duration & number of questions changes in OCAJP7 exam!

K. Tsang
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This topic announces changes in exam details.

Roel De Nijs wrote:Duration: 120 minutes
Number of Questions: 70



Hmm don't know if this is a good or bad thing.


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gabriele mannocci
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It's a bad thing!!
With previous version I usually did 90% and today morning with my surprise I had to do new verson! In my opinion it's more difficult and there isn't enough time to do that...
Andrew Remil
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gabriele mannocci wrote:It's a bad thing!!
With previous version I usually did 90% and today morning with my surprise I had to do new verson! In my opinion it's more difficult and there isn't enough time to do that...


Hello! Where did you get a new version? I just prepared for this exam, because last week I didn't pass this exam.
Roel De Nijs
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gabriele mannocci wrote:It's a bad thing!!

First of all a warm welcome to the CodeRanch!

Honestly I don't agree. I was really not happy when they changed the passing score from 77% to only 63%. Such a change makes the certification less valuable. This certification exam is about the sheer basics of the Java language, so a very good understanding is required. If have a good solid knowledge about the topics, this change should not make any difference at all. The average time you have per question was 100 seconds, now it is 102.85 seconds. So you even have a little bit more time per question.


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Roel De Nijs
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Andrew Remil wrote:Where did you get a new version?

First of all a warm welcome to the CodeRanch!

Have a look at this topic. It keeps track of all changes in the OCAJP7 certification exam for everyone's convenience.
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I like it. It is harder to stay focused during a longer exam.


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gabriele mannocci
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You're right Roel..but even if you have the same time more or less, i found questions a little more complex. After all, if the passing score now it's lower means somenthing.
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gabriele mannocci wrote:i found questions a little more complex. After all, if the passing score now it's lower means somenthing.

The passing score was already decreased in the beginning of this year. This time only the number of questions and the duration were changed.
K. Tsang
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The recent change doesn't necessarily make it the exam is more difficult or easier ... because the minute-to-question ratio is about the same as Roel mentioned in earlier post.

Yet shorter duration does allow candidates to focus more like what Jeanne mentioned.
Peter Cong
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Roel De Nijs wrote:
gabriele mannocci wrote:It's a bad thing!!

First of all a warm welcome to the CodeRanch!

Honestly I don't agree. I was really not happy when they changed the passing score from 77% to only 63%. Such a change makes the certification less valuable. This certification exam is about the sheer basics of the Java language, so a very good understanding is required. If have a good solid knowledge about the topics, this change should not make any difference at all. The average time you have per question was 100 seconds, now it is 102.85 seconds. So you even have a little bit more time per questi
on.


The shorter time with the tough questions means more difficulty than the provious version, I just failed the exam, I found the 70 questions are much difficulty than before, no sure how many people will pass it. even make the questions to 30, but more diffulty question, it is still meaning nothing for the time. So the bottom line is the diffulty for each question,
Can anybody who passed the new updated (1Z0-803) exam (70 questions) share some experience with us?
Peter Cong
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Roel De Nijs wrote:
gabriele mannocci wrote:i found questions a little more complex. After all, if the passing score now it's lower means somenthing.

The passing score was already decreased in the beginning of this year. This time only the number of questions and the duration were changed.


I think these new 70 questions are more dificulty than before, you can not even finish them in the given time in the exam.
gabriele mannocci
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Hi Peter,
in fact I left 7-8 questions incomplete....Fortunally, I passed the exam with 65% but i guarantee i was all times around 92% with the old way...
Peter Cong
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gabriele mannocci wrote:Hi Peter,
in fact I left 7-8 questions incomplete....Fortunally, I passed the exam with 65% but i guarantee i was all times around 92% with the old way...


Congratulation you passed the exam, but I failed, can we share the experiene with you how to pass it? I have to prepare it and try it next time. thanks
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gabriele mannocci what materials you use to prepare? What was you experience in java?

Peter Cong how long was your preparation? (now i prepare and want know how many i must do before go to exam)
Roel De Nijs
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Peter Cong wrote:I think these new 70 questions are more dificulty than before, you can not even finish them in the given time in the exam.

Did you already take the exam before this recent change? Or what's the basis for your conclusion?
Roel De Nijs
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Sergej Smoljanov wrote:gabriele mannocci what materials you use to prepare?

You'll find a bunch of materials and resources in the OcajpFaq. At this moment the Mala Gupta book and the Enthuware mock exams are the most popular study materials.
Peter Cong
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Roel De Nijs wrote:
Peter Cong wrote:I think these new 70 questions are more dificulty than before, you can not even finish them in the given time in the exam.

Did you already take the exam before this recent change? Or what's the basis for your conclusion?


Yes, I took the exam a week ago, and it was failed, that was my first exam with 70 questions, I have never taken any exam before. I practice some mock exams from internet with 90 questions, but not help too much.
I appreciate if you can give me some suggestions , resouces and materials in order to pass the new updated exam which is 70 question. thanks in advance.
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Peter Cong wrote:Yes, I took the exam a week ago, and it was failed, that was my first exam with 70 questions, I have never taken any exam before. I practice some mock exams from internet with 90 questions, but not help too much.

So your sole preparation was taking a mock exam on the internet

Peter Cong wrote:I appreciate if you can give me some suggestions , resouces and materials in order to pass the new updated exam which is 70 question. thanks in advance.

The study materials and resources mentioned in the OcajpFaq are still valid. The decrease in the number of questions doesn't mean things you need to know for the exam have changed. And most of the books cover a little more than strictly required to foresee little exam changes.
gabriele mannocci
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Sergej Smoljanov wrote:gabriele mannocci what materials you use to prepare? What was you experience in java?


I've been working as a java EE developer since 2010. First of it, I studied Java at University.
I think the best book is Mala Gupta. Roberto Liguori's book is not enough.
Gomathi Sankar Arumugam
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I've passed OCAJP 7, on 12-July-14.
Refer my post on exam experience: Link
Roel De Nijs
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Another very small (negligible) implication of this change. You are allowed to make fewer mistakes.

90 questions
  • # correct answers: 57 (63.33%)
  • # allowed mistakes: 33 (36.67%)


  • 70 questions
  • # correct answers: 45 (64.29%)
  • # allowed mistakes: 25 (35.71%)


  • So a very slight difference of .96%
    Satya D Prasad
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    Folks,

    To those who have given the OCAJP 7 with 70 questions pattern, please let us know the overall difficulty of it.
     
    Don't get me started about those stupid light bulbs.
     
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