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Jeanne Boyarsky
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Yes, I'm aware we have a 100 post thread about the World Cup already. I figure that thread is going to be about the winner shortly and this a different topic.

The New York Times did a visualization on which teams were favored by different countries on social media throughout.

Some what you might expect. Users in Brazil largely favored Brazil until they were out and switched to Germany. In the US, less than half supported the US even when they were in it. (Which isn't surprising. Many people in the US barely know we have teams when there isn't a World Cup going on.)

I didn't understand Germany's though. It says roughly 50% supported Germany in group play. Climbing to 56% in the round of 16, 66% in the quarterfinals, 81% in semifinals and 96% now. This isn't unique to Germany. The Netherlands started with 58% support of the home country. Argentina started at 80% which is more of what I'd expect in a country with a good team where people follow the sport.


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The team hasn't been playing well this year before the world cup, and had a number of key players injured - so expectations were low. But during tournaments, the team always comes together and people rally around it. Germany has never been eliminated before the quarter finals since they won in 1954 - people seem to forget that (and yes, of course that series will be broken at some point).


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Thanks Ulf. We were told that the US had no shot because of being in a group with Germany and Portugal. So my impression of your team was higher. Good luck today.

The amNY newspaper article had a guide to the World Cup - useful for people like me who don't follow the sport. It said:

Sorry, fellow Americans. The U.S. isn't long for this competition. A deep German team and Cristiano Ronaldo-led Portugal are going to make it out of group play, barring some unexpected upsets. In truth, Ghana has a great chance of assuring the U.S. of a last-place group finish when the two meet in their opener on Monday.
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I think the article is spot on. Portugal's performance surprised everyone, and Ghana outplayed the US by a margin (but somehow still managed to lose).
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I dont understand the word favoured here actually. Do they mean the answer to the question who do you think is going to win, or to the question who do you hope is going to win?

I know that the expectations of the Dutch team were pretty low. Two years ago we lost 3 games in a row at the European Championship. We were in a group with Chile and Spain, and in theory those teams were equal or better. And if we would have survived the group, we expected to be second after Spain, play against Brazil the home team, and we thought to probably lose that. So, the general thought was, last 16 at the best. That does not mean we dont hope them to win.

And still if I look at the material we had, apart from Robben, the team was just average, and only good tactical thinking of the coach, and a little luck brought us this far.
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Jan de Boer wrote:I dont understand the word favoured here actually. Do they mean the answer to the question who do you think is going to win, or to the question who do you hope is going to win?


Hope, in this case. According to the page:
When people said that they were watching a game, some were prompted with a choice between the flags of the two countries playing and asked to choose which they were rooting for. Other times, people posted a clear preference for one team in their status updates, like “#GoUSMNT” in support of the American team. Finally, Facebook asked some visitors on the trending World Cup Facebook page to say which team they were rooting for.
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Okay. I would not know what "were rooting for" means, to tell you the truth. It is the first time I read or hear that word. But the difference cannot be a translation problem, otherwise other countries would have been negative about their home team as well. I know some people are very anti football, especially, unfortunately, in the office I work now. Just to annoy other people they are against the home team. But I would not expect them to be more than a tenth.

Beside the topic, just to improve my English, if I understand it correctly the sentence: 'who is your favourite' can be interpreted two ways, right? Who is your loved one, and who do you think has the best chances?
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Jan de Boer wrote:I know some people are very anti football, especially, unfortunately, in the office I work now. Just to annoy other people they are against the home team. But I would not expect them to be more than a tenth.


It sounds like they were only looking at people who were already showing an interest in the football (saying they were watching a game, or viewing football related pages on Facebook). So I'd expect it to be even lower than that.

Jan de Boer wrote:Beside the topic, just to improve my English, if I understand it correctly the sentence: 'who is your favourite' can be interpreted two ways, right? Who is your loved one, and who do you think has the best chances?


Maybe. In gambling, "the favourite" is the contestant with the lowest odds (most likely to win). So if I referred to "the favourite" I'd definitely mean "most likely to win". If I said "my favourite", then I suppose I could mean "the one I think is the favourite", but I'd personally find that misleading so I don't think I'd express it like that.
 
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