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Does the certificate really help to increase the number of possible interview or land a job?

 
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Hi:

I am just new here. I heard that some guys in IT industry claims that it is more valuable to write some real non-trivial projects and put them
online (demo and opensource) than spending some much time to get a certificate. It does not help too much.

The certificate may refer to WCD, WSD, JPA, EJB...

Is it correct?
 
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Since this topic may be interested to the Job Discussion forum, I am going to add this topic to that forum.

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zach zhang wrote:
I am just new here. I heard that some guys in IT industry claims that it is more valuable to write some real non-trivial projects and put them
online (demo and opensource) than spending some much time to get a certificate. It does not help too much.

Is it correct?


Like many of the questions, in my opinion, the answer is "it depends".

If you are the type that likes to do stuff. Do projects for fun -- which implies "non-trivial" and "interesting". The certification process can be great at guiding your learning. And certification itself can be a great side-goal to obtain during your learning. And it also helps you understand what options are available so that you can perfect your project.

On the other hand, if the goal is only the certification, and as quick as possible -- and of course, one of the best options is to get a great book, and do rote memorization (with a little bit of trying out stuff). In this case, the certificate may be able to help with getting an interview, but passing the interview ... well ... that may be much more difficult.

Remember that interviews tend to cover more stuff, cover them deeper, and tend to discuss what you did (ie. projects). And also, projects that you do for fun, tend to be more interesting to discuss (and with more enthusiasm) at interviews.

Henry
 
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In my opinion, people tends to get Java EE certs to acknowledge their learning and/or experience. Such learning and experience can be self projects, company projects, open source, freelance, etc.

However, if it was the Java Programmer cert then I noticed most people get this cert just to land a (java) job!

The decision to get the cert or not depends on the necessity and desire. Is it a must, like company requires it (necessity)? Or is it simply you want to value-add yourself (desire)?

Having such cert doesn't always help you in landing the job. Because some companies just don't care if you have the cert as long as you demonstrate you know what you are talking about and able to do the work asked (aka able to deliver).
 
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And welcome to the Ranch
 
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As Henry said, it depends on the job market you're competing in, and what jobs and companies you're interesting in. I don't reckon that a hiring manager at a top company will be impressed by seeing a certificate unless it's backed up by demonstrable skills (in which case the certificate itself is irrelevant). Where I'm hiring, a certificate counts for little, and possibly even less, depending on who you ask; consequently, you rarely see certificates mentioned in resumes.
 
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Ulf Dittmer wrote:As Henry said, it depends on the job market you're competing in, and what jobs and companies you're interesting in. I don't reckon that a hiring manager at a top company will be impressed by seeing a certificate unless it's backed up by demonstrable skills (in which case the certificate itself is irrelevant). Where I'm hiring, a certificate counts for little, and possibly even less, depending on who you ask; consequently, you rarely see certificates mentioned in resumes.


So, I guess there should be a lot of Java developers with real industry work in this forum who want to get certificates, if they rarely put them on resume, what is the purpose for certificate? Just a learning process with a particular goal?

 
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I'm sure they do put them on their resumes, just not in job markets l'm familiar with.
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
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